Unbundling & Unconcealing

It might be interesting (or not) to unbundle, unpack & unconceal some of the fundamental holdings we each have regarding the following life encounters:
  1. reality
  2. existence
  3. experience
  4. groking & knowing
  5. lying
  6. freedom
  7. free will
  8. consciousness
  9. Golden Rule
  10. integrity
  11. truth
  12. time (past, present & future) & Now
  13. Drama

Comments


Seth says
yes.

Mark de LA says
I like Drama. There is external & internal Drama in my world. I noticed when I quit smoking cigarettes that most of the difficulty could be relegated to the drama of quitting rather than the actual physical withdrawal symptoms which lasted only 3-4 days.
The external Drama is embodied in the beings of tragedy & comedy by 1) M$M, 2) TV & Movies, 3)the Blogosphere 4) Games  & in all life from baseball to sex & 5) interaction between human beings.


Seth says
MR 2013-01-24 08:40:18 16402
seth 2013-01-24 08:27:47 16402

... yeah .

I think i may just have found the most boring picture in the world. 

It took me a while ...
because if there is no surprise, no passion, , no drama ...

i mostly just delete the picture.
Then again maybe by putting online you have created the drama of no-drama.

astute observation.

I remember this one, it was a soup i got at The Puyallup.  I took the picture because it was very good.  I think it was clam chowder.  The goodness did not get into the picture and the Styrofoam cut and plastic spood did not do justice to the soup.  I never did post it online untill now.  Now is is somehow immortalized .

Mark de LA says
Drama to me seems like constructing a future of action & actors from the present that can be larger than life or more poignant than perhaps the context of reality is likely to yield - it's all in the surprise & acting.


Seth says
MR 2013-01-24 08:52:15 16402
Drama to me seems like constructing a future of action & actors from the present that can be larger than life or more poignant than perhaps the context of reality is likely to yield - it's all in the surprise & acting.

seems you talk here of extreme drama AND that which is acted, hence artificially created ... in other words that which we see on the stage, the movies, and on TV.   There is that.  The audience is abstracted and not involved.  I watch a lot of that too though mostly now i am bored with it.  "Beasts of the Southern Wild" was the best i've seen all year. 

Mark de LA says
Each of has an act as well.  DO you know what yours is?

Seth says
yeah we all have a little ham in us.

Mark de LA says
      Funny, I don't remember your moment, but I do remember a moment in the playhouse where all 4 of us were pretending to imitate SC . I remember, having been through a few more of them than you, tried to explain how the folks did it & then finally gave up as it didn't matter - shortly interrupted by someone bringing us food.
      One thingy about the guru/father/teacher stuff - if you reverse the dynamics of your resistance & imagine that you want to show someone else what you think to be true that you encounter a temperament similar to your own.
      I remember an acid trip in which the Universe suggested that there was an absolute ranking of people with respect to being smart & that you were one rung higher that I was. At that moment, after pausing for the eek, I realized it didn't matter since I can learn from another if he has something I don't know or I can teach another if he wants something I have or together we can journey on the same road for a while in mutual discovery. That one stuck with me ever since.


Mark de LA says
#12 (present or now) - When I try to pin down or find NOW it shows up not as a piece of time but a focus point for where I am.  I am in my body which I can sense inside & out, My body is in the outside world which I can sense with the major 5 senses & I am within a mind that all kinds of phenomena of different kinds show up.  Within my mind I use language as a sense to bring something to my attention which may or not relate to the other two "worlds". I have no trouble knowing where my mind is if I choose to do so - I carry it with me wherever I go. In sleep & dreams I am not conscious or barely conscious so the differentiation of NOW has little or no meaning there.


Mark de LA says
There's acting & then there's being - the former is less authentic or not authentic at all the latter is. Of course if you are consciously writing the script as you go along that may be something else. I remember that one of your desires around the time you started to sell aluminum screens was to be an actor. I guess you fulfilled the last of that in the warehouse during some solstice celebration .


Seth says
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MR 2013-01-25 09:53:55 16402
Each of has an act as well.  DO you know what yours is?


Well in that context, when you drill right down, it is a distinction without a difference.  The whole Tony Robbins "act like a successful person" ends up being just do it yourself.  If you are in a real context and you act, then you do.   Perhaps you need to trick yourself into belief that it is not real to have the courage to act.  But in the end, it is all about the consequences. 
Well, you answered some question but it wasn't the one I asked.


Well your question was not just a little bit like asking whether i had stopped beating my grandmother ... it was begging the question ... i thought i needed to sweep that one away first. 

Somtimes i just react.  Other times i prefer to act in a story about myself in the world.  But it is not always the same story.   Tell me some of yours if you really do intend to get more specific.
Sometimes I act in someways like my father, sometimes like a guru (I noticed you reject both), sometimes I act like a husband. Sometimes I act like a mullet (that was Larry Dodson's favorite), etc. An act is a facade used to protect the self. It is much more broad that exactly what you are doing at the moment.  It is a well worn script which guides your personality through life. The bolded in your comment was what I was looking for. It goes toward uncovering one's personal drama.


Hmmm ... not sure i know your "mullet" character.  Anyway i reject your Guru character pretty much the same way that i reject any guru ... don't take it personally ... the same, of course, goes for our father ... although it is not so much a rejection as a "i'm not going to play along with that story" kind of reaction.


I disagree that acting within a story in life is necessarily "a facade used to protect the self".  Rather me thinks it is a strategy to create self ... assuming of course that there is no preordained essence to protect.  That said, I have noticed recurrent trains that emerge again and again and with which i strongly identify.  Mine, if it could be reduced to a short phrase, would be about mutuality, agreement, otherness, and relationship of me to world.  I do have an earliest memory.   I'm not sure where we were, but all four of us kids were paying a game or wanting to play a game and had come to some impasse ... some can't get there from here moment ... and again i don't remember the specifics.  But in any case, it was that character in me who grocked the impasse and moved us all through it.  That was the first time i discovered that i could do it.

Seth says
MR 2013-01-30 10:57:56 16402
seth 2013-01-30 10:49:38 16402
MR 2013-01-28 09:18:58 16402
      Funny, I don't remember your moment, but I do remember a moment in the playhouse where all 4 of us were pretending to imitate SC . I remember, having been through a few more of them than you, tried to explain how the folks did it & then finally gave up as it didn't matter - shortly interrupted by someone bringing us food.
      One thingy about the guru/father/teacher stuff - if you reverse the dynamics of your resistance & imagine that you want to show someone else what you think to be true that you encounter a temperament similar to your own.
      I remember an acid trip in which the Universe suggested that there was an absolute ranking of people with respect to being smart & that you were one rung higher that I was. At that moment, after pausing for the eek, I realized it didn't matter since I can learn from another if he has something I don't know or I can teach another if he wants something I have or together we can journey on the same road for a while in mutual discovery. That one stuck with me ever since.


Yeah i remember the SC thing in the playhouse ... and that i was intrigued by how you were talking ... but now none of the substance of that remains.  The food that they brought was, however, the memorable thing ... i bet even you remember that.   It was ice cream.  One of the four bowl was way larger than the other ones.  You, of course, took it.   Under the ice cream was a orange propping it up
The part I remember most about the orange thingy was I actually chose another bowl & V turned the plate to make sure I would take the one she loaded with an orange. I think she even suggested I take it. Was your moment not this one?


yeah she cheated ... i remember that too

Mark de LA says
seth 2013-01-30 10:49:38 16402
MR 2013-01-28 09:18:58 16402
      Funny, I don't remember your moment, but I do remember a moment in the playhouse where all 4 of us were pretending to imitate SC . I remember, having been through a few more of them than you, tried to explain how the folks did it & then finally gave up as it didn't matter - shortly interrupted by someone bringing us food.
      One thingy about the guru/father/teacher stuff - if you reverse the dynamics of your resistance & imagine that you want to show someone else what you think to be true that you encounter a temperament similar to your own.
      I remember an acid trip in which the Universe suggested that there was an absolute ranking of people with respect to being smart & that you were one rung higher that I was. At that moment, after pausing for the eek, I realized it didn't matter since I can learn from another if he has something I don't know or I can teach another if he wants something I have or together we can journey on the same road for a while in mutual discovery. That one stuck with me ever since.


Yeah i remember the SC thing in the playhouse ... and that i was intrigued by how you were talking ... but now none of the substance of that remains.  The food that they brought was, however, the memorable thing ... i bet even you remember that.   It was ice cream.  One of the four bowl was way larger than the other ones.  You, of course, took it.   Under the ice cream was a orange propping it up
The part I remember most about the orange thingy was I actually chose another bowl & V turned the plate to make sure I would take the one she loaded with an orange. I think she even suggested I take it. Was your moment not this one?