Otherness



It is green and brown in the forest ...

with startling exceptions.

It the world we get pretty much what we expect ...

with startling exceptions.

I love those surprises ...

for they are me becoming aware of otherness.



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Otherness is all which I am not ... that which i do not understand ... that which i do not control ... that which i have not made. 

Part of otherness i do not even know ... have not even seen or heard ... part of it ... well almost all of it to be honest ... i am totally ignorant ... i don't even know it exists but i suspect that it does.  It is pervasive. 

i can get to know it ... transforming it, for me, into not so pure otherness. 

Of course i can get to know otherness ... i can see it ... i can hear it ... i can smell it .. i can taste it ... i can feel it.   i can even imagine it and think about it.   i can interact with it ... transact with it ... talk to it ... and dance with it.   The more i interact with it, the more i touch it, the less other it become ... it transforms me and i transform it.

I write these words ... as such they are me.  You, however, read them, puzzle their meaning to me or to yourself.  

You are otheness to me.  I am otherness to you.  Well not exactly ... we can know each other ... you can read my words ... we can talk ... we can interact ... we can become aware of each other.  But, sans that interaction, that getting to know each other we start out as otherness.  well almost otherness, for you breath like i do, you can feel like i do and hurt like i do and love like i do.  silll and all, mostly i don not know you ... i was not there when you took your first step ... or had your first kiss ... or first saw the ocean ... or first were beaten by your father.   Mostly your history is unknown and foreign to me ... i did not share it ... mostly i do now even know about it ... so mostly you are otherness to me.

i can like otherness ... i can love it ... i can dislike it ... i can hate it.  i can get to know it transforming it in small portion into me. 

I cannot honestly wish otherness away.  Not that i want to.  I do love the stuff .

Tags

  1. otherness
  2. item 16529
  3. item 16532
  4. my ontology

Comments


Mark de LA says
Seth, my tag simply encapsulated in 2 words what I believed your coin of otherness represents. That is precisely the beginning clause in your first sentence, to wit:
Seth: ... Otherness is all which I am not ... that which i do not understand ... that which i do not control ... that which i have not made. 
... the rest is your self (see BofNK) going haywire & my response to it.


Seth says
MR 2013-05-20 07:38:21 16532
seth 2013-05-20 07:27:11 16532
this  description of otherness in general can be tagged [tag not seth] just like any similar description of yours could be tagged [tag not mark].   This highlights that otherness, is obviously, relative to each person.  Otherness, however, is quite general and can be experienced by everybody.  Linguistically, that is just like me referring to myself with the first person pronoun, "I", which you also use to refer to yourself. 

incidentally, [tag not seth], does not yet connect this with anything ... as such it is an association with no object.   i will allow it, perhaps temporarily, in lieu of some future connection.
Anything can be tagged anything - how remarkable.  The first time a tag is used it will not connect to anything except itself - how peculiar, eh?  You were talking about otherness in a way which can best be described "not Seth" - hence the tag. Hate it, delete it, enjoy it - shoot your stick as Larry Dodson used to say.

wow ... you seem to be hell bent on rotating anything i do into some RWG between us.   But that is not where i am at.

I do use fastblogit to think with you.   Tagging items is an important facility of doing that.   The more you use tagging the better will I be able to think, outside of myself, with you.  That is really all i was trying to bring to your attention above.  Obviously you are free to not think with me here ... to obstruct my thought ... or to glorify your own.   That does not even need to be said ... we both know that.

The other thing that you tag highlighted for me was the indexical nature of otherness ... as such i thought i would talk a bit, as i did above, about that indexicality. 

... no here ... just thinking out loud with you .... err, part of the process or otherness becoming communication becoming harmony ... or in this case dissonance.   Your choice, really .

Seth says
MR 2013-05-20 08:26:19 16532
Seth, my tag simply encapsulated in 2 words what I believed your coin of otherness represents. That is precisely the beginning clause in your first sentence, to wit:
Seth: ... Otherness is all which I am not ... that which i do not understand ... that which i do not control ... that which i have not made. 
... the rest is your self (see BofNK) going haywire & my response to it.

Yep, i noticed that ...

... except the part about self going haywire and your response to it ... which is all just you ... as such is pretty much otherness to me as i don't really know what you are referring to there ... were i to guess, i would guess that is is just more rwg which, of course, if you noticed, is not my thingey.

i think BofNK paints quite a different picture of self and hence "not self", or otherness, than i am expressing here.  My view is really very simple and hopefully contains no presumptions that are not already contained in my human predicament.  I mean, does not BofNK prescribe meditations in which a person is suppose to realize what is their self.  For me that is not necessary.  Recognizing my self in contrast to otherness is, for me, right there already immediately in my daily life ... no mediation on it is necessary ... no training ... no habitual striving ... no imagining ... no intuing.   Meditation, of course, is Great ... the more the better ... reach deep withing ... and reach far without ... but mediation is not necessary to grock  what is otherness to me or to love it ... it came to me automatically when i became bored with my  childish presumptions.

Seth says
source: mark
What about "Otherness is all which I am not" does not equate to "not seth" ????????????
absolutely nothing ... except, of course, "otherness" can be experience by everybody and not just me ... whereas "not seth" is just my particular and peculiar thingey. 

My complaint with not seth is that is does not connect Otherness with any other item.  Tags here are designed to connect and associate items.  If a tag does not connect or associate an item to any other item here it will dilute our connections and associations.   You don't really need to agree with that, but i will enforce it, where i think it is important, on my items.  You might also consider that if you use this ability correctly the way it was designed to be used, you  might just discover some useful connections.

Seth says
source: mark
Wow! You missed the part where I said:
Mark (above): ... The first time a tag is used it will not connect to anything except itself - how peculiar, eh? 
...
... mark, i didn't miss that at all.   Perhaps you can see how i thought about that by re-reading this ...
source: seth above
i will allow it, perhaps temporarily, in lieu of some future connection.


Seth says
things kind of evolve ...

is this a new take on otherness ... or same old stuff ... ?

seth 2014-02-02 22:22:59 17057
source: mark
Another name for otherness might be an objective world context.
... that kind of describes the logical point of view of my otherness.

thing is my-otherness-feeling-awareness (mofa) tries not to be just an intellectual description.  it is an attitude.  it's difficult to talk about intellectually because i am not aware of that which is otherness ... best i get is just hints, then the otherness feeling goes away.  my knowing and believing and respecting that some other thing exists is what i am talking about.  obviously it applies more to people than inanimate objects ... but i can also feel it towards groups too. the closest English word for it might be "empathy" ... but empathy implies that i am feeling what the other is feeling ... with myofa i know that i know nothing of what the other is feeling.  it is about their inside not their objective outside or what i can perceive about that.   it may just be my thingey ... i haven't read about it in the literature yet ... but it is probably there somewhere.


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