Democrats fight Republicans

I think both democrats and republicans are politicians and fight in Washington, the seat of our Federal government where the rights of individual citizens are enforced.

I take it that the body politic which is concerned with our rights should evolve to be independent of commerce and culture.  That, strangely enough, is part of traditional American values. 

It just now dawned on me what this fight is all about.  The Democrats are erroring on the side of bigger government taking away from the other two pillars of our threefoldness .... and the Republicans are erroring on the side of economy taking away from the other institutions.  And then by fighting they collaborate to make the body politic uppermost in our attention ... making it stronger at the expense of the other spheres of our our society. 

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Mark de LA says
seth 2013-05-20 11:47:33 16534
MR 2013-05-20 11:18:27 16534
Almost right.  The Republicans that are not into growing bigger government are not in favor of taking away from other institutions they are in favor of reducing the public sector & increasing the private sector - not a zero sum game. They are in favor of a free economic domain just like threefoldness.


well i'm sure that their rap does not include the idea that Republicans work to increase business.  yet that is always what they do.  similarly the Democrats rap does not include the idea that they work to increase government, yet that is always what they do. 

That said, Republican seem to be more in tune with decreasing government's manipulation of business ... that is aligned with threefoldness and i like it.  Yet in the end the politicians are almost totally in the pockets of big business ... Democrats and Republicans alike, for that matter.   The Democrats rap is more that they are for the equity of people irrespective of business's vested interests ... would that they would always vote accordingly.

I think as you always side with Republicans and always defend their raps and votes, you will be working against the spirit of threefoldness and escalating the attention given to government itself ... an unbalanced approach.  I prefer to vote specific choices, and otherwise pretty much ignore the government unless it gets involved with me.  I am not a politician by profession and by nature do noting in that sphere.  It is better for me to focus on culture and commerce where i actually can contribute. 
For the sake of accuracy, I am an independent who sides mostly with LIBERTARIANS (not Republicans)! Business increasing is good. It is the heavy fist of government that does not allow the market to regulate business. When you put the fist of government on the scales of balance you get results like your president who tried to regulate it to make more electric cars & they went bankrupt instead - the car makers & solar cell people.


Mark de LA says
... ditto my last for Obamacare.  THE very heavy fist of government is raising the cost of healthcare supposedly to lower it & we will find out what that does next year. Good luck to those who employ people.


Seth says
source: mark
Business increasing is good.
... not at the expense of equity and spirit.

I find that the obsession in our society with money and gross national product is unbalanced.   It is the other spheres which check that.  i do believe that view is in total harmony threefoldness.

Think back on your life and how to actually do anything in the culture the money of the situation became the dominant player.  For some people this is more than others ... for denise, it is always about the money ... for you, perhaps, you were able to transcend the dominance of "having to make money" ... common logic certainly was in that direction.  But in general what i find in American society a giant unbalance ... and for me getting beyond that is one of the things that threefoldness is all about. 

Seth says
MR 2013-05-20 12:44:56 16534
What propaganda have you been reading that suggests that business is doing something to decrease their own equity or anyone's spirit?  It is the government that is doing that, dude!


In the extreme the institution of slavery buys and sells and decreases the human spirit.  The thrusts of big business that religates human labor to a commodity with the only measure of it being the bottom line on the balnce sheet creates exactly that which degrades and kills the human sprit.   Just about everything that i have recently read about threefoldness starts with that idea.

i have no idea how you could get the idea that i am saying anything at all like "business is doing something to decrease their own equity".   I don't even want to try to guess.

Seth says
MR 2013-05-20 12:31:42 16534
seth 2013-05-20 12:19:23 16534
source: mark
Business increasing is good.
... not at the expense of equity and spirit.

I find that the obsession in our society with money and gross national product is unbalanced.   It is the other spheres which check that.  i do believe that view is in total harmony threefoldness.

Think back on your life and how to actually do anything in the culture the money of the situation became the dominant player.  For some people this is more than others ... for denise, it is always about the money ... for you, perhaps, you were able to transcend the dominance of "having to make money" ... common logic certainly was in that direction.  But in general what i find in American society a giant unbalance ... and for me getting beyond that is one of the things that threefoldness is all about. 
I gave my own money from contract work in the beginning & my salary later to finance Common Logic Inc. At least make your agitprop real. Most people who are opposed to money are tethered to the propaganda of jealousy. Threefoldness is not about about robin hoodies.


... and neither does what i am saying have anythinbg to do with jealousy.   I am talking about the obsession which what can only be measured with money that dominates our society.

I don't know what you mean, "At least make your agitprop real", i was totally acknowledging that you trancended an obsession with money in what you did with common logic.  I thank you for that.  If our society was better balanced you would not have had to sell your labor to the bank to have made it possible that i could freely develop CyberMind.

Mark de LA says
I guess I lost the thread of wtf you were otherwise talking about in balance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_threefolding#.22Liberty.2C_Equality.2C_Fraternity.22did say just about all we need in general. Restart it or not.


Mark de LA says
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Mark de LA says
seth 2013-05-20 15:04:40 16534
MR 2013-05-20 14:05:23 16534
seth 2013-05-20 13:52:54 16534
MR 2013-05-20 13:20:04 16534
seth 2013-05-20 13:11:03 16534
MR 2013-05-20 12:44:56 16534
What propaganda have you been reading that suggests that business is doing something to decrease their own equity or anyone's spirit?  It is the government that is doing that, dude!


In the extreme the institution of slavery buys and sells and decreases the human spirit.  The thrusts of big business that religates human labor to a commodity with the only measure of it being the bottom line on the balnce sheet creates exactly that which degrades and kills the human sprit.   Just about everything that i have recently read about threefoldness starts with that idea.

i have no idea how you could get the idea that i am saying anything at all like "business is doing something to decrease their own equity".   I don't even want to try to guess.
Your reply to mine: Business increasing is good.
... not at the expense of equity and spirit. <<== Seth's comment
Whose equity were you talking about? The only people who have equity are the owners of the business &/or their stock.  The people who work don't have equity unless it is an employee owned company.

i meant to say that if commence increases at the expense of equity (using sense 1-3 in the dictionary) and cultural spirit, then we have an unbalance.   I fairly obviously did not mean this sense of the word
I would need a full example of what you mean in the context of economics & commerce.

Well, of course, we have a extreme example in the news of the day.  The owners of the building sent the workers into the building to continue working to make more money for them even though the building was not safe to occupy.  That was not fair to the workers ... that was not equitable to them ... yet it was intended to increase the wealth of the owners of the factory.  
You had to go to Bangladesh for an example - boo!

There is an earthquake in Canoga Park which ruptured some parts of a building that we were supposed to begin working in.  We were forbidden to work in there until certified. OK.  A few of us took a short guided tour & the place was in much better shape than your picture.  I'm not sure your anti-capitalist supply of the motivation for them going back in was what was going on. It seems to be a cause celeb for libs.


Seth says
MR 2013-05-20 14:05:23 16534
seth 2013-05-20 13:52:54 16534
MR 2013-05-20 13:20:04 16534
seth 2013-05-20 13:11:03 16534
MR 2013-05-20 12:44:56 16534
What propaganda have you been reading that suggests that business is doing something to decrease their own equity or anyone's spirit?  It is the government that is doing that, dude!


In the extreme the institution of slavery buys and sells and decreases the human spirit.  The thrusts of big business that religates human labor to a commodity with the only measure of it being the bottom line on the balnce sheet creates exactly that which degrades and kills the human sprit.   Just about everything that i have recently read about threefoldness starts with that idea.

i have no idea how you could get the idea that i am saying anything at all like "business is doing something to decrease their own equity".   I don't even want to try to guess.
Your reply to mine: Business increasing is good.
... not at the expense of equity and spirit. <<== Seth's comment
Whose equity were you talking about? The only people who have equity are the owners of the business &/or their stock.  The people who work don't have equity unless it is an employee owned company.

i meant to say that if commence increases at the expense of equity (using sense 1-3 in the dictionary) and cultural spirit, then we have an unbalance.   I fairly obviously did not mean this sense of the word
I would need a full example of what you mean in the context of economics & commerce.

Well, of course, we have a extreme example in the news of the day.  The owners of the building sent the workers into the building to continue working to make more money for them even though the building was not safe to occupy.  That was not fair to the workers ... that was not equitable to them ... yet it was intended to increase the wealth of the owners of the factory.  

Seth says
and here is a dastardly example of the fight

source:  Kent Goertzen Shared publicly  -  2:14 PMThe United States announced this week that it's re-locating its Vatican embassy into a shared compound with the embassy in Italy"

But the GOP twists the story into their war on religion anti-Obama narrative. 

 Republicans More Offended By Vatican Embassy 'Closure' Than The Vatican
...


Seth says
seth 2013-11-27 14:29:49 16534
and here is a dastardly example of the fight

source:  Kent Goertzen Shared publicly  -  2:14 PMThe United States announced this week that it's re-locating its Vatican embassy into a shared compound with the embassy in Italy"

But the GOP twists the story into their war on religion anti-Obama narrative. 

 Republicans More Offended By Vatican Embassy 'Closure' Than The Vatican
...

This is the first I have heard of this, but some -?- on the left have no idea how the symbology of diplomacy works nor what the word dastardly means.


Seth says
For example in order not to piss off China who buys lots of our debt the SCOTUS lets the Dali Lama out the back way of the white? house:
(*)
If Catholics merely
supported
abortion & forced
insurance via
Obamacare
they might still
have a US embassy
in the Vatican.
...
otoh, do we have
an embassy
in
Mecca?


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