Moving Parts create Possibilities.


The more moving parts there are in a "system",
the more possibilities there are for change.
That is pretty much a mathematical fact,
and should not be disputed.
Now consider the human being and his vast number of moving parts.
Is there any doubt that each of us are unique ...
and act in the world from a quite special view?

are these thoughts connected ?  ...

source: Seth Russell 
on facebook comment
well Jung's definition assumes that we know what consciousness is ... but that is not common knowledge. The descriptions we do have of ego from different experts, either scientific or religious, are quite diverse. some say it is an integral component
of our being as humans, others talk as if it were only a bad habit or an illusion we would best give up. for me, there is only one undeniable description: each of us humans has a special unique perspective of the world to which only we have access ... nobody else can observer or experience the world from that perspective. i don't think anyone can deny that one fact. so, me, i call my special unique perspective "my ego" ... you cannot see things from that perspective ... sorry, it's taken ... LOL.

so then, with that single undeniable understanding of "ego" in mind, i think you can see why to me going deeper into that singular perspective of the world is not the way to give it up. that follows logically quite of necessity.
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Comments


Seth says
MR 2013-06-23 10:06:17 16581
MR 2013-06-23 10:05:15 16581
seth 2013-06-23 08:56:04 16581
MR 2013-06-22 23:59:07 16581
Ego in Latin means "I am".
I use the word "I" because Latin is a dead language.
...
the rest of this is pretty close to sophism.


Sophism in the modern definition is a specious argument used for deceiving someone.  -- Wikipedia

How is anything that i have said above, either untrue, or deceptive?

Look there is only the minimum that is being specified here and that which is specified is almost mathematical and logical.  It should be quite independant of any religious beliefs.  If not, then i would like to tease out the assumptions that it does contain.  But it is not designed to deceive.  Quite the opposite.  To just assert that it is sophism does not move our understanding anywhere.
Notice I used the word "almost".  You leave out the way Steiner specifies the word Ego. You leave out the way the equivalent self is used in BofNK . Perhaps, I should have said these are not the droids I am looking for - nothing new to compreheld.  Nobody calls their "I" Ego except perhaps Freud.

The deception is perhaps that there is something here.

Strange i get a kind of mini-satori when i meditate about the fact that i have a unique singular viewpoint on the whole world that nobody else has.  I don't need to attach any other assumptions about what is happening.   It is kind of akin to Kant's, "I think, therefore i am" ... but even more specific ... it defines the human percadiment in which i find myself and actually defines myself.  I don't need to attach or believe in anything else ... not modern phychology or science or RS or BofNK. 

One of the things i like about the thought is that it does 'leave out the way Steiner specifies the word ego" and all the beliefs and dogma he attaches to that ... but it does not exclude any of that ... rather it just setup up the framework in which we *must*  think about our selves.

Mark de LA says
MR 2013-06-23 10:05:15 16581
seth 2013-06-23 08:56:04 16581
MR 2013-06-22 23:59:07 16581
Ego in Latin means "I am".
I use the word "I" because Latin is a dead language.
...
the rest of this is pretty close to sophism.


Sophism in the modern definition is a specious argument used for deceiving someone.  -- Wikipedia

How is anything that i have said above, either untrue, or deceptive?

Look there is only the minimum that is being specified here and that which is specified is almost mathematical and logical.  It should be quite independant of any religious beliefs.  If not, then i would like to tease out the assumptions that it does contain.  But it is not designed to deceive.  Quite the opposite.  To just assert that it is sophism does not move our understanding anywhere.
Notice I used the word "almost".  You leave out the way Steiner specifies the word Ego. You leave out the way the equivalent self is used in BofNK . Perhaps, I should have said these are not the droids I am looking for - nothing new to compreheld.  Nobody calls their "I" Ego except perhaps Freud.

The deception is perhaps that there is something here.

Seth says
MR 2013-06-22 23:59:07 16581
Ego in Latin means "I am".
I use the word "I" because Latin is a dead language.
...
the rest of this is pretty close to sophism.


Sophism in the modern definition is a specious argument used for deceiving someone.  -- Wikipedia

How is anything that i have said above, either untrue, or deceptive?

Look there is only the minimum that is being specified here and that which is specified is almost mathematical and logical.  It should be quite independant of any religious beliefs.  If not, then i would like to tease out the assumptions that it does contain.  But it is not designed to deceive.  Quite the opposite.  To just assert that it is sophism does not move our understanding anywhere.

Seth says
MR 2013-06-23 11:28:34 16581
seth 2013-06-23 11:24:19 16581
MR 2013-06-23 11:11:37 16581
The same could be said about your unique, solipsistic point of view on the world.  You can't prove that that is not what is happening.

well i can't guess the reality of what you say here.    to start out, it has an embedded assumption that is abosolutely false ... i do not have a solipsistic point of view on the world ... in fact quite the opposite.  a solipsist assumes that their view is the only one ... they deny all others.   that is quite different what what i am pointing out here. 
denial doesn't prove shit!

well one thing the realization of this thought does give me is that everyone talks from their unique viewpoint.   for example, your statement above is not really all that very true ... i fear even to yourself, .... a better statement would be:  me talking as you here:  "your denial doesn't prove anything to me".  had you actually have thought or said that, then it might actually have moved your own understanding out of the box that i fear it is trapped.

Seth says
this is one of those things that is so obvious that we forget to consider it as an important characteristic of what we call "ego".   so people talk to each other about it and forget to even mention it.  yet if we were trying to explain to some colony based alien beings what "ego" meant and those beings always had access to a colony based memory, that would be the first thing out of our mouth ... otherwise they would not have a chance in hell of knowing what we were talking about.

Seth says
MR 2013-06-23 11:38:26 16581
What is just a self builder, similar to a life-long rwg, is constantly running the program disproving, invalidating etc GW & RS from a limited set of experience - like not doing the exercises. Similar to doing physics experiments all in your head.   I suspect that something scared you like a gregory experience or something else; maybe not. It may or not be somewhere in that unique point of view of yours.
Even uniqueness is a program - see #BofNK 1:23 ... enjoy!

alternatively your own life-long rwg program to defend the GW & RS view of the world is so strong that you cannot now think outside of their box.

what is even more interesting to note is that nothing i have said here contradicts anything that GW & RS has said. 

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