Of Means & Ends


My hypothesis here is that most political party disputes could be resolved if the people realized that they want the same things, but differ mostly in the means . That being said, from Alinsky's Rules summary there is this: Of Means and Ends (WIKIPEDIA) - "In the second chapter of Rules for Radicals, Alinsky proposed a new question for community organizers to consider when bringing activist groups together. Normally when looking to achieve a certain goal, organizers would ask “do the ends justify the means?” Alinsky stated that the real question for what methods are acceptable for accomplishing a goal should be “does this particular end justify this particular means?” His purpose here, and for the rest of the chapter, is to delve into goal setting and achievement for community organizing. As a strong proponent for direct action tactics, Alinsky held to the idea that unorthodox methods for affecting change were acceptable. If the actions undertaken brought to light the problem a community was facing, than the means used were acceptable. He believed that once a particular goal is set, the means necessary to achieve it, given the community involved, become more apparent and easier to discern if appropriate or not…"

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  1. means and ends
  2. ends justifies means

Comments


Mark de LA says
mr 2013-07-06 15:43:13 16623

The biggest problem here is that the public 'ends' is one thing, such as health care , & the politician's 'ends' - (those charged to represent us & solve the problems have different 'ends' in mind) - i.e. getting re-elected & participating in the spoils of job security & the ruling class.


Seth says
Well i certainly agree that "disputes could be resolved if the people realized that they want the same things, but differ mostly in the means" ...  absolutely .

Seth says
MR 2013-07-08 07:39:57 16623
seth 2013-07-07 08:20:53 16623
Well i certainly agree that "disputes could be resolved if the people realized that they want the same things, but differ mostly in the means" ...  absolutely .
Unfortunately, realizing this only puts us back at square one.  One helpful solution is for factions to quit lying about the other side's motives in public & private while pretending that they are the only ones with pure motives to solve the pending problem.

agreed ... absolutely .   no more twisting of words to mean something they were not intended to mean.

Mark de LA says
MR 2013-07-09 14:32:41 16623
It is strange how people have accepted lies as normal. Advertizing makes money by lies - representing things & politicians as they are really not. In political campaigns this is honed to a fine art. It is also strange that you can only be put in jail for lying to a judge or congress or the police, but not the American people as a whole. It is generally thought that the libel & slander laws are hard to enforce & that for politicians that is just part of the game.

& then there is the speech & debate clause of the U.S. Constitution  Article I, section 6 clause 1.

Mark de LA says
MR 2013-07-10 06:10:33 16623
E.G.
source: ... (Reuters) - President Barack Obama likes burgers, hot dogs and such, but when it came time to answer a kid journalist's question about his favorite food, broccoli was the first word that sprang from his lips.
... lies to little children too!



Mark de LA says
... & holds secret meetings with lib journalists
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/12/white-house-holds-obamacare-background-briefing-with-liberal-reporters/


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