Is will power a confusion?

Tags

  1. item 16637
  2. plastic habits
  3. will power

Comments


Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-01 10:17:09 16673
the fun part would be to get to the elephant in the room here, rather than avoiding it.

am i advocating here a *passive* attitude towards living?  ... which would be admittedly bad.   that is an attitude where things just happen to me, rather than me creating them myself. 

obviously it is not my intention to be passive and think shit just happens to me.  so how can that be reconciled with my attitude of "work over time, arranging and conspiring with my environment, then when the time comes just do it ... no power of will necessary"?   Me, i don't have a problem with the reconciliation here ... do you?
Well, the beginning of 16671 covers some of that - I am only 36 minutes into it. Normally I wouldn't spend any time pondering this topic.


Seth says
M 2013-08-01 09:30:43 16673
seth 2013-08-01 08:54:34 16673
M 2013-08-01 07:15:20 16673
Is confusion a lack of will power to remove the confusion?
good and funny question .

Confusion happens when i loose track of what is being considered.   By paying attention, concentrating and focusing,  i will tend not to loose track and get confused ... not to think one sign is refering to something when actually it is refering to something else.   So the power (ability) to concentrate-focus-keep-track of what i am thinking about will tend to remove my confusion.  Seems to me that "will power" is not only the *ability* to do something,  but also the combination of that with  the courage to actually do it.   Let's rewrite your question to "Is confusion a lack of ability to remove confusion"?   so in that sense, sure , confusion happens when we don't remove it.  ... hmm ... there seems to be not just a little bit of confusion going on here.  i'm leaving this now to perhaps think about it in the future.

My question is asked to determine if we should *try* at the *moment* of an act to call up some power to execute it.   Is perhaps that notion itself just a confusion?   Me, i'm thinking that we do things better if over time we arrange and conspire with our environment such that when the moment does arise, we can just do it.   That is quite a different way of thinking about using the courage to act as a "will power" to do the deed.
I'm not much into the *try* thingy. When all is said & done *try* is no different than NOT doing - a distinction without a difference.


well, yeah, totally .

that's why i would replace *try* with the attitude of *just do it*.   "will power" does imply that there is force involved ... else power is not needed.  that is also the way we frequently talk and think about it.  my model of that is my two hands pushing against each other uselessly.  

if "a reluctance to act" is not present, then i "just do it" ... or in other words ...

thing is these things work over time.  

i work on the kitchen, improving it,

i work on my habits, improving them,

when the time comes,

if any reluctance stands off,

it just happens.

When things happen that way, i just don't need no stinking will power ... that would be a confusion. 

Seth says
the fun part would be to get to the elephant in the room here, rather than avoiding it.

am i advocating here a *passive* attitude towards living?  ... which would be admittedly bad.   that is an attitude where things just happen to me, rather than me creating them myself. 

obviously it is not my intention to be passive and think shit just happens to me.  so how can that be reconciled with my attitude of "work over time, arranging and conspiring with my environment, then when the time comes just do it ... no power of will necessary"?   Me, i don't have a problem with the reconciliation here ... do you?

Seth says
When and how to put energy into deeds?  Things do not always just happen easily. 

that sounds like a contradiction to ...
thing is these things work over time.  
i work on the kitchen, improving it,
i work on my habits, improving them,
when the time comes,
if any reluctance stands off,
it just happens.
...  but note that the "work" refereed to here does not happen, sans the energy of courage that i put into it. 

The question is when and how to push?

obviously i don't want to "push" against myself ... that is a waste of energy.

... so how?


Mark de LA says
seth 2013-08-02 10:52:37 16673
When and how to put energy into deeds?  Things do not always just happen easily. 

that sounds like a contradiction to ...
thing is these things work over time.  
i work on the kitchen, improving it,
i work on my habits, improving them,
when the time comes,
if any reluctance stands off,
it just happens.
...  but note that the "work" refereed to here does not happen, sans the energy of courage that i put into it. 

The question is when and how to push?

obviously i don't want to "push" against myself ... that is a waste of energy.

... so how?

My internal dialogue doesn't mesh with yours here. Can't help. Maybe give up such internal dialogue, eh?


Mark de LA says
Speaking of internal dialogues, & I was, between whom specifically are the speakers speaking to & listening to?


See Also

  1. Thought Tools in my peculair bag ... with 101 viewings related by tag "PlasticHabits".
  2. Thought Doing ... with 37 viewings related by tag "will power".
  3. Thought Qualia Number 1 - aka feeding of doing it right (gw firm correctness) with 26 viewings related by tag "PlasticHabits".
  4. Thought The Terror of Spreading Order with 18 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  5. Thought Genesis: what happens so well that it happens again ... with 17 viewings related by tag "PlasticHabits".
  6. Thought A New Respect for The Specific with 17 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  7. Thought Plastic Habits with 15 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  8. Thought Humanity with 3 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  9. Thought Pattern & Change with 1 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  10. Thought Rackets with 1 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  11. Thought Two Different Times of an Event, was: Thinking about habits with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  12. Thought an organic conspiracy of what works with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  13. Thought the dynamic relationship between freedom, authority, habit, and the eog/otherness boundary with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  14. Thought How to change context: with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  15. Thought Habit ... with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  16. Thought Shenpa with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  17. Thought I dont have to do that! with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  18. Thought Tiny Habits with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  19. Thought Changing Society with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  20. Thought Will with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  21. Thought Truth, Beauty & Goodness - NOT JUST SLOGANS with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  22. Thought plastic habits rambeling with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  23. Thought Plastic Habits with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  24. Thought Prometheus with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  25. Thought about: The difference between genius and stupidity is that stupidity has limits. with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  26. Thought Plastic Habit is Oxymoronic with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  27. Thought Orange Chicken and Orzo with Cucumber Fennel Salad with 0 viewings related by tag "plastic habits".
  28. Thought My kitchen does the cooking! with 0 viewings related by tag "item 16637".
  29. Thought A Reluctance of Act with 0 viewings related by tag "item 16637".