Sick Beyond Belief!

About: farm-to-fork farm dinner fiasco

BTW, the US Government owns most of Nevada!
source: ... As guests were mingling, finishing tours of the farm, and while the first course of the meal was being prepared and ready to be sent out, a Southern Nevada Health District employee came for an inspection.

Community Dinner at Quail Farm

Because this was a gathering of people invited to our farm for dinner, I had no idea that the Health Department would become involved. I received a phone call from them two days before the event informing me that because this was a “public event” (I would like to know what is the definition of “public” and “private”) we would be required to apply for a “special use permit.” If we did not do so immediately, we would be charged a ridiculous fine. Stunned, we immediately complied.
... Watch out for your food coops

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Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 09:35:08 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:13:29 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:09:44 16769
BTW in the comments it appears that this happened 3 years ago & the final outcome is unknown so far as I can find out.

The article is not in a normal news format with dates, attribution & even the place it was written.


my first impression was that it was journalistic fiction.

however i have myself encountered reluctance and fear of regulations when it comes to private parties catering food to a public gathering.  people are mostly afraid of being sued.  the argument is proffered that we cannot privately cook for the public.  i am betting that this is a gray area in most local codes. 
So potlucks & church baking sales are illegal, eh?

Seth says
When your job depends upon patronage you learn to kiss the right ass! Crony government requires regulations to boss people around with & pass out favors for appropriate anal-smooching.
(*)

Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 08:53:40 16769
Well yeah it is sick !   We don't need no stinking food cops ... certainly not for private parties, even if they are open to the public.   However there are long standing traditions and procedures for local health departments to inspect and certify kitchens preparing food for the public.  They might be  somewhat effective in preventing food poising and spreading diseases in restaurants that are perputually open to the public.  But i doubt that there is any  way for the health department to zero in on a problem that might happen in our private kitchens ... even if we wanted to charge  them with that task ... which i am pretty sure we have not. 

So why did this bureaucrat think that was her charge?
Why not ask Harry Reid their #1 loud-mouthed senator & majority leader in the US Senate?


Seth says
ME 2013-09-20 09:09:44 16769
BTW in the comments it appears that this happened 3 years ago & the final outcome is unknown so far as I can find out.

The article is not in a normal news format with dates, attribution & even the place it was written.


Seth says
ME 2013-09-20 09:34:24 16769
seth 2013-09-20 09:30:54 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:03:15 16769
seth 2013-09-20 08:53:40 16769
Well yeah it is sick !   We don't need no stinking food cops ... certainly not for private parties, even if they are open to the public.   However there are long standing traditions and procedures for local health departments to inspect and certify kitchens preparing food for the public.  They might be  somewhat effective in preventing food poising and spreading diseases in restaurants that are perputually open to the public.  But i doubt that there is any  way for the health department to zero in on a problem that might happen in our private kitchens ... even if we wanted to charge  them with that task ... which i am pretty sure we have not. 

So why did this bureaucrat think that was her charge?
Why not ask Harry Reid their #1 loud-mouthed senator & majority leader in the US Senate?


note that this was the local health department .. no?  it has nothing to do with the federal government.   it merely is a local bureaucrat who thinks they have more power than they, hopefully, have been granted by the county.
A fish rots from the head. The Feds own most of Nevada (did you miss that?). Who do you think local bureaucrats model, anyway?

Anal smooching applies to bureaucrats of all levels. ... petty tyrants in training to become big tyrants.

Seth says

I liked the kicker, the penultimate paragraph in almost any news item usually comes to the author's point :
above: ...

As I close, I am reminded of the passage written so forcefully by Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence:    

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.” 

The same battle continues.   I pray the result of the battle will be the same, that we have been “endowed by our Creator with … life and liberty”.

...


Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 10:10:09 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:36:19 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:34:24 16769
seth 2013-09-20 09:30:54 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:03:15 16769
seth 2013-09-20 08:53:40 16769
Well yeah it is sick !   We don't need no stinking food cops ... certainly not for private parties, even if they are open to the public.   However there are long standing traditions and procedures for local health departments to inspect and certify kitchens preparing food for the public.  They might be  somewhat effective in preventing food poising and spreading diseases in restaurants that are perputually open to the public.  But i doubt that there is any  way for the health department to zero in on a problem that might happen in our private kitchens ... even if we wanted to charge  them with that task ... which i am pretty sure we have not. 

So why did this bureaucrat think that was her charge?
Why not ask Harry Reid their #1 loud-mouthed senator & majority leader in the US Senate?


note that this was the local health department .. no?  it has nothing to do with the federal government.   it merely is a local bureaucrat who thinks they have more power than they, hopefully, have been granted by the county.
A fish rots from the head. The Feds own most of Nevada (did you miss that?). Who do you think local bureaucrats model, anyway?

Anal smooching applies to bureaucrats of all levels. ... petty tyrants in training to become big tyrants.

incidentally, if you overreach twisting it to be about corrupt Federal politicians, you will surely dilute the important essence of your message.
The message stands clear! It is about all levels of bureaucracy federal, state & local.  You interpreted it mostly as federal.

Seth says
BTW. a recent Stossel report showed he couldn't open a lemonade stand in NYC or children couldn't do it on the lawns of their own houses.
This might be illegal too!
AMA or Shrinks might object!

Seth says
Facebook says there is a law: http://www.govtrack.us/states/nv/bills/2013/ab200 which permits some stuff .
?

Seth says
sorry I missed my shot on the delete button & got your last - repost if important

Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 11:47:50 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:44:25 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:39:43 16769
source: mark above
Why not post the fact of a private kitchen (it was obvious in the case in point) & let the consumers decide whether to participate instead of causing them to throw out their valuble food under threat of arrest & fines or ruining their event? The same should go for GMO & junk food.  On McDonalds, KFC & ??? : "This factory food brought to you by antibiotics, non food additives & corporate farming short-cuts .... EAT, DRINK & be MERRY as long as you have left!"
... i tend to agree.   from my reading of the *current* law you posted above the food was in fact legal.  but even if it was not, the enforcement was draconian.  i suspect that there were local repercussions, were this a actual event.   this food policing should be minimal, effective for proven targeted proven problems, and more advisory that punitive and preventative ... and should only apply to commercial food cookikng.  privately and among our friends we must be left free to eat and cook just as we will.
I looked the law up from the facebook post.  I suspect it was a law created after the rukus which was a few years ago.


hmmm ... so the political system apparently worked well to correct the bureaucratic overreach .
Public pressure can work to embarrass  politicians.  I might believe one instance here, but as an overall characterization, probably not unless Obamacare is corrected or abandoned.


Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 12:01:44 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:49:12 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:46:24 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:34:48 16769
sorry I missed my shot on the delete button & got your last - repost if important

the point was this stems from an attitude that has become endemic in our culture ... that life should be protected and safe and guaranteed.  
Well, er ... it is not safe & nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!
...
have a nice day!

well, actually i don't think that is the point.  the flip side (or antidote) of the attitude "that should not be allowed and/or that should be guaranteed"  ... is not "you can't take it with you" ... err, at least it is not for me.
How does that relate to anything here. Food safety is nice but not infallible .Looking to government is OK when there is a disaster like an earthquake or hurricane, but not for most of what the government does. Taking it with you is out in la la land.

Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 09:42:15 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:37:51 16769
seth 2013-09-20 09:35:08 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:13:29 16769
ME 2013-09-20 09:09:44 16769
BTW in the comments it appears that this happened 3 years ago & the final outcome is unknown so far as I can find out.

The article is not in a normal news format with dates, attribution & even the place it was written.


my first impression was that it was journalistic fiction.

however i have myself encountered reluctance and fear of regulations when it comes to private parties catering food to a public gathering.  people are mostly afraid of being sued.  the argument is proffered that we cannot privately cook for the public.  i am betting that this is a gray area in most local codes. 
So potlucks & church baking sales are illegal, eh?


Well i sure as hell hope not.  All i am saying is that there are people who, in an abundance of caution, will opt not to allow a private kitchen to cook the food for a public affair.
Why not post the fact of a private kitchen (it was obvious in the case in point) & let the consumers decide whether to participate instead of causing them to throw out their valuble food under threat of arrest & fines or ruining their event? The same should go for GMO & junk food.  On McDonalds, KFC & ??? : "This factory food brought to you by antibiotics, non food additives & corporate farming short-cuts .... EAT, DRINK & be MERRY as long as you have left!"


Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 11:39:43 16769
source: mark above
Why not post the fact of a private kitchen (it was obvious in the case in point) & let the consumers decide whether to participate instead of causing them to throw out their valuble food under threat of arrest & fines or ruining their event? The same should go for GMO & junk food.  On McDonalds, KFC & ??? : "This factory food brought to you by antibiotics, non food additives & corporate farming short-cuts .... EAT, DRINK & be MERRY as long as you have left!"
... i tend to agree.   from my reading of the *current* law you posted above the food was in fact legal.  but even if it was not, the enforcement was draconian.  i suspect that there were local repercussions, were this a actual event.   this food policing should be minimal, effective for proven targeted proven problems, and more advisory that punitive and preventative ... and should only apply to commercial food cookikng.  privately and among our friends we must be left free to eat and cook just as we will.
I looked the law up from the facebook post.  I suspect it was a law created after the rukus which was a few years ago.


Seth says
ME 2013-09-20 11:41:46 16769
I don't often use God arguments, but when I do:
If God had not intended to create free will why would he have even let that concept & notion & the very words exist in the first place? Same goes for freedom & liberty!


Seth says
ME 2013-09-20 11:49:12 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:46:24 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:34:48 16769
sorry I missed my shot on the delete button & got your last - repost if important

the point was this stems from an attitude that has become endemic in our culture ... that life should be protected and safe and guaranteed.  
Well, er ... it is not safe & nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!
...
have a nice day!

well, actually i don't think that is the point.  the flip side (or antidote) of the attitude "that should not be allowed and/or that should be guaranteed"  ... is not "you can't take it with you" ... err, at least it is not for me.

Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 11:46:24 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:34:48 16769
sorry I missed my shot on the delete button & got your last - repost if important

the point was this stems from an attitude that has become endemic in our culture ... that life should be protected and safe and guaranteed.  
Well, er ... it is not safe & nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!
...
have a nice day!

Seth says
ME 2013-09-20 12:44:34 16769
seth 2013-09-20 12:25:11 16769
ME 2013-09-20 12:16:23 16769
seth 2013-09-20 12:01:44 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:49:12 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:46:24 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:34:48 16769
sorry I missed my shot on the delete button & got your last - repost if important

the point was this stems from an attitude that has become endemic in our culture ... that life should be protected and safe and guaranteed.  
Well, er ... it is not safe & nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!
...
have a nice day!

well, actually i don't think that is the point.  the flip side (or antidote) of the attitude "that should not be allowed and/or that should be guaranteed"  ... is not "you can't take it with you" ... err, at least it is not for me.
How does that relate to anything here. Food safety is nice but not infallible .Looking to government is OK when there is a disaster like an earthquake or hurricane, but not for most of what the government does. Taking it with you is out in la la land.

well, it was not me who brought it up in this context ... "nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!" -- Magor at his finest
Vidar at his finest misses the point. The uninformed consumer of news who thinks "X shouldn't be" looking for government for safety should be aware that nothing is safe - even a safe!


actually most of that thought was articulated in my comment that you deleted

Seth says
More examples of the bureaucracy invading our spaces & pad their own jobs & fees & licenses:
http://boingboing.net/2013/09/19/sting-operations-on-people-ans.html


Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 12:21:59 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:54:00 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:47:50 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:44:25 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:39:43 16769
source: mark above
Why not post the fact of a private kitchen (it was obvious in the case in point) & let the consumers decide whether to participate instead of causing them to throw out their valuble food under threat of arrest & fines or ruining their event? The same should go for GMO & junk food.  On McDonalds, KFC & ??? : "This factory food brought to you by antibiotics, non food additives & corporate farming short-cuts .... EAT, DRINK & be MERRY as long as you have left!"
... i tend to agree.   from my reading of the *current* law you posted above the food was in fact legal.  but even if it was not, the enforcement was draconian.  i suspect that there were local repercussions, were this a actual event.   this food policing should be minimal, effective for proven targeted proven problems, and more advisory that punitive and preventative ... and should only apply to commercial food cookikng.  privately and among our friends we must be left free to eat and cook just as we will.
I looked the law up from the facebook post.  I suspect it was a law created after the rukus which was a few years ago.


hmmm ... so the political system apparently worked well to correct the bureaucratic overreach .
Public pressure can work to embarrass  politicians.  I might believe one instance here, but as an overall characterization, probably not unless Obamacare is corrected or abandoned.


Well apparently this is the better truth here ...

No better - no worse
as far as truth goes. The farm bill was passed June first of this year according the the link I provided before.  As far as the petition goes you can only infer that it was part of the cause,  Representatives & senators generally respond to shit that makes them look petty & stupid .... maybe not a better truth, eh?  who knows?



Seth says
seth 2013-09-20 12:25:11 16769
ME 2013-09-20 12:16:23 16769
seth 2013-09-20 12:01:44 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:49:12 16769
seth 2013-09-20 11:46:24 16769
ME 2013-09-20 11:34:48 16769
sorry I missed my shot on the delete button & got your last - repost if important

the point was this stems from an attitude that has become endemic in our culture ... that life should be protected and safe and guaranteed.  
Well, er ... it is not safe & nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!
...
have a nice day!

well, actually i don't think that is the point.  the flip side (or antidote) of the attitude "that should not be allowed and/or that should be guaranteed"  ... is not "you can't take it with you" ... err, at least it is not for me.
How does that relate to anything here. Food safety is nice but not infallible .Looking to government is OK when there is a disaster like an earthquake or hurricane, but not for most of what the government does. Taking it with you is out in la la land.

well, it was not me who brought it up in this context ... "nobody gets out alive!  You & I & everyone else will all die!" -- Magor at his finest
Vidar at his finest misses the point. The uninformed consumer of news who thinks "X shouldn't be" looking for government for safety should be aware that nothing is safe - even a safe!


Seth says
Einai 2014-07-14 06:33:48 16769
This may or not be about the same place today:
http://quailhollowfarmcsa.com/


Note they are using the CSA program just like Whistling Train Farm here in the Kent valley ... .  CSA programs are one of the new alternatives to supermarket distribution.  It is also another alternative to a farmer's market.  It does not necessarily work for a small family and is logistically inconvient ... which are the reasons i have not yet combined it with my own food gathering activities.  One of the ways to make it work better might be to  to combine it with a weekly food exchange.

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