Recognizing Decay


RWG is a symptom of decay.  Death, strangely, is not a symptom of decay.

when RWG “spiral down into lower and lower thought forms drawing in more and more energy to sustain those lower vibrations” , then the desired vibrations are drowned out and cannot survive.   I call that decay.   I observe the same kind of processes in natural organic life, where some energy takes over and robbs all of its surrondings of life … when you see that i am almost certain you would agree with me, that relative to your life, it was decay.  So this is where if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc etc, then we are permitted to call it a duck. 

Now saying that is not to cop a tag aug about decay.  Decay is part of the beauty of all there is … me, i love it … truly i do.   But here is where my ego (the good part) steps forward and insists that i continue.  Hence i tend to steer clear of decay … and RWG too … for pretty much the same reason.

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Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 09:41:42 16833
Death is not decay ... but if you die, it is the end of your decay.   You really do need to accept and love relativity to grock how decay works in life ... it is one of the most beautiful parts of it ... i think i got that originally from Steiner ... but the trick in life is to recognize your decay ... err so as to live ... otherwise you die
So you have branched out to embrace life after death? Being doesn't decay it just is & is independent of time. My outward manifestation will decay as will yours.  I just don't grok your spin.  Steiner suggests contemplation of nature & its flourishing & decay & not to get overly attached to either pole.


Seth says
ME 2013-10-18 09:21:36 16833
See if YOU can NOT use the RWG & answer some questions already posed & suggest some REAL solutions. 
Might also spell check the title.

i already scoped the direction:  people learning to live together without the current corruption and decay of our society and making those lives flourish.  that needs to be the revolution.  me thinks that anything else is just more of the same.  it would feel like the rebels winning and then ending up just doing the same stuff they rebelled against.

Seth says
Making the RWG wrong is just more RWG. It is beyond politics anyway.
BTW politics is an opinion machine & not everyone agrees except in one party countries like Russia, China, Iran, & North Korea.


Seth says
ME 2013-10-18 09:03:42 16833
Decay is a symptom of death.

only from the narrow point of view of what died.  that's the funny part .

Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 09:09:16 16833
ME 2013-10-18 09:03:42 16833
Decay is a symptom of death.

only from the narrow point of view of what died.  that's the funny part .
Denial maybe, but I am sure when you die you will feel different about it or more likely when someone else you know intimately.
Here is a question in the political context - so the death of the United States can be spun positively by you folks, eh? Should we hasten it so that it becomes manure for some future rose?
see s bread and circuses

Seth says
source: mark
Making the RWG wrong is just more RWG.
and what is making it right?

RWG is  not right or wrong ... in fact staying inside that is the loop is just more  RWG ... no, RWG is just a waste of energy ... and ... err ... that waste of energy is the decay of energy. 

Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 09:16:15 16833
source: mark
Making the RWG wrong is just more RWG.
and what is making it right?

RWG is  not right or wrong ... in fact staying inside that is the loop is just more  RWG ... no, RWG is just a waste of energy ... and ... err ... that waste of energy is the decay of energy. 
Which example this comment & your contribution form the prime example!


Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 09:29:55 16833
ME 2013-10-18 09:21:36 16833
See if YOU can NOT use the RWG & answer some questions already posed & suggest some REAL solutions. 
Might also spell check the title.

i already scoped the direction:  people learning to live together without the current corruption and decay of our society and making those lives flourish.  that needs to be the revolution.  me thinks that anything else is just more of the same.  it would feel like the rebels winning and then ending up just doing the same stuff they rebelled against.
The Rodney King solution! I like the Golden Rule myself! Which includes the "though shalt not steal" & "though shalt not lie"  thingies in the Decalogue.



Seth says
Death is not decay ... but if you die, it is the end of your decay.   You really do need to accept and love relativity to grock how decay works in life ... it is one of the most beautiful parts of it ... i think i got that originally from Steiner ... but the trick in life is to recognize your decay ... err so as to live ... otherwise you die

Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 10:24:26 16833
ME 2013-10-18 09:50:02 16833
seth 2013-10-18 09:41:42 16833
Death is not decay ... but if you die, it is the end of your decay.   You really do need to accept and love relativity to grock how decay works in life ... it is one of the most beautiful parts of it ... i think i got that originally from Steiner ... but the trick in life is to recognize your decay ... err so as to live ... otherwise you die
So you have branched out to embrace life after death?


... well "life after death" is a contradiction on its linguistic face and i believe in fact too.

source: mark continues
Being doesn't decay it just is & is independent of time. My outward manifestation will decay as will yours.  I just don't grok your spin.

... same contradiction.  i respect your belief here.  even though it is not my thing.  no need to argue it or disrespect each other.

 Steiner suggests contemplation of nature & its flourishing & decay & not to get overly attached to either pole.

... might be interesting to read into the record what steiner actually said on decay.  his words there were what called my attention to decay and my appreciation of it.   if immortal spirit is exempt from death and decay ... and err therefore even change itself ... then that itself must be at the heart of Steiner's spirituality.  
Might be - go find it for your point of view.  Mine are in the meditations in Knowledge of the Higher worlds & Its Attainment which you can find on your own. THe rest of your statement is basically missmatching without much explanation or example. The being stuff I got from PR. Your presumption that spirit is exempt from change is bullshit.


Seth says
ME 2013-10-18 09:50:02 16833
seth 2013-10-18 09:41:42 16833
Death is not decay ... but if you die, it is the end of your decay.   You really do need to accept and love relativity to grock how decay works in life ... it is one of the most beautiful parts of it ... i think i got that originally from Steiner ... but the trick in life is to recognize your decay ... err so as to live ... otherwise you die
So you have branched out to embrace life after death?


... well "life after death" is a contradiction on its linguistic face and i believe in fact too.

source: mark continues
Being doesn't decay it just is & is independent of time. My outward manifestation will decay as will yours.  I just don't grok your spin.

... same contradiction over here.  i respect your belief here.  even though it is not my thing.  no need to argue it or disrespect each other.

 Steiner suggests contemplation of nature & its flourishing & decay & not to get overly attached to either pole.

... might be interesting to read into the record what steiner actually said on decay.  his words there were what called my attention to decay and my appreciation of it.   if immortal spirit is exempt from death and decay ... and err therefore even change itself ... then that itself must be at the heart of Steiner's spirituality.  

Seth says
Humorous picture of leadership in decay in Washington by the 3 stooges via G+



Seth says
Seth, you seem to use the term RWG like the PC crowd uses the term racist. I think that needs to be transcended.


Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 11:12:34 16833
Well, trying here not to let this dialogue decay ... and so editing RWG out of it ...

You say, "Being doesn't decay it just is & is independent of time"

I say, "if immortal spirit is exempt from death and decay ... [it is] therefore even exempt from change itself".

You say, "It is [only] your [conclusion] that spirit is exempt from change".

Me new: "Yes i concluded that a being without time and death and decay, could never change". 

It does seem to me that follows necessarily.  I realize that to get to a Being that changes yet does not die or decay needs us to transcend our mere logical ruts.   I ask to go back to the source of that idea ... for it is not contained in your words here.

Do it, or don't do it ... just as your will ... as will i.
Well maybe #BofNK reading would help you or not. Try a simple example - the chaotic pendulum - which appears to move & change & yet is ONE simple Cinderella program at it's core being. Maybe at a higher level it is part of a higher core being of all chaotic pendulums. Similar to my wallaby behind 16814.


Seth says
Well, trying here not to let this dialogue decay ... and so editing RWG out of it ...

You say, "Being doesn't decay it just is & is independent of time"

I say, "if immortal spirit is exempt from death and decay ... [it is] therefore even exempt from change itself".

You say, "It is [only] your [conclusion] that spirit is exempt from change".

Me new: "Yes i concluded that a being without time and death and decay, could never change". 

It does seem to me that follows necessarily.  I realize that to get to a Being that changes yet does not die or decay needs us to transcend our mere logical ruts.   I ask to go back to the source of that idea ... for it is not contained in your words here.

Do it, or don't do it ... just as your will ... as will i.

Seth says
ME 2013-10-18 11:07:28 16833
What I posted in G+ on the Mission of Anger by RS is fairly descriptive of the forces underneath the RWG. Then #BofNK describes anger a feeling of hurt in the past leading to a helplessness to control it followed by a destructive response all not present in the now which could change it.

sorry, mark, i am not a fan of waving at a body of literature to make a point.  it just doesn't work for me.  if there is something specific there which bears on this dialogue, then if you want to communicate it to me, then you need to digest it yourself and say it here explicitly and merely use the literature as a reference. 

Seth says
ME 2013-10-18 11:34:24 16833
seth 2013-10-18 11:24:37 16833
ME 2013-10-18 11:07:28 16833
What I posted in G+ on the Mission of Anger by RS is fairly descriptive of the forces underneath the RWG. Then #BofNK describes anger a feeling of hurt in the past leading to a helplessness to control it followed by a destructive response all not present in the now which could change it.

sorry, mark, i am not a fan of waving at a body of literature to make a point.  it just doesn't work for me.  if there is something specific there which bears on this dialogue, then if you want to communicate it to me, then you need to digest it yourself and say it here explicitly and merely use the literature as a reference. 
Laziness is as laziness does. The mission of anger is pertinent about 2 typed pages & can be read in 3 minutes by a slow information learner. You rarely do better yourself, mostly offering only insults and misscharacterizations like this entire item. Apparently you want to insult something as decay, eh? Got it!
ZZZzzzz,,,,,


Well "RWG is a symptom of decay" even in government.   Me thinks that is still true.  So far this dialogue is a good example.  If we radically edit all of that out of our responses, then they will be more useful to both of us.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 12:16:20 16833
ME 2013-10-18 11:34:24 16833
seth 2013-10-18 11:24:37 16833
ME 2013-10-18 11:07:28 16833
What I posted in G+ on the Mission of Anger by RS is fairly descriptive of the forces underneath the RWG. Then #BofNK describes anger a feeling of hurt in the past leading to a helplessness to control it followed by a destructive response all not present in the now which could change it.

sorry, mark, i am not a fan of waving at a body of literature to make a point.  it just doesn't work for me.  if there is something specific there which bears on this dialogue, then if you want to communicate it to me, then you need to digest it yourself and say it here explicitly and merely use the literature as a reference. 
Laziness is as laziness does. The mission of anger is pertinent about 2 typed pages & can be read in 3 minutes by a slow information learner. You rarely do better yourself, mostly offering only insults and misscharacterizations like this entire item. Apparently you want to insult something as decay, eh? Got it!
ZZZzzzz,,,,,


Well "RWG is a symptom of decay" even in government.   Me thinks that is still true.  So far this dialogue is a good example.  If we radically edit all of that out of our responses, then they will be more useful to both of us.
RWG on RWg is more RWG.  It is part of evolution for humans at this stage. Evidence here is that you only read my posts to oppose them never digesting, apparently, any of the content.


Seth says
seth 2013-10-18 17:21:18 16833
source: mark
... nothing about change in my statement: "Being doesn't decay it just IS & is independent of time."
... well look at it conversely:  if it does change, then it is not independent of time.   Time, after all is that which we measure change against.  Were there no change anywhere, time would be pretty well irrelevant if it could be perceived at all.  So, me thinks, you really cannot have it both ways ... either it changes or it is independent of time.  Saying that it changes says that it is not independent of time.  Those things that never change, are independent of time ... those things that do change must needs require the dimension of change ... which is, err, time.

That, of course is thinking conventionally about time.  Now if you have some other way of thinking about change and time then far out.  In that case then I guess we could just chalk it up to mystical thinking and let it go at that.

  I chalk it up to you not understanding being. It is not an easy thing to master. Still no change in my statement.  The rest of this you arguing about your own confusion with limited resources.
 

Seth says
source: mark
... nothing about change in my statement: "Being doesn't decay it just IS & is independent of time."
... well look at it conversely:  if it does change, then it is not independent of time.   Time, after all is that which we measure change against.  Were there no change anywhere, time would be pretty well irrelevant if it could be perceived at all.  So, me thinks, you really cannot have it both ways ... either it changes or it is independent of time.  Saying that it changes says that it is not independent of time.  Those things that never change, are independent of time ... those things that do change must needs require the dimension of change ... which is, err, time.

That, of course is thinking conventionally about time.  Now if you have some other way of thinking about change and time then far out.  In that case then I guess we could just chalk it up to mystical thinking and let it go at that.


Seth says
[See also: item 16835]

Seth says
ME 2013-10-18 16:53:26 16833
seth 2013-10-18 15:29:12 16833

buried in mark's post is: the chaotic pendulum ... which brings up a fascinating relationship between that which is represented by human mathematics and that which mark calls Being.  Then too there must be different kinds of beings, for example pi is not the same kind of animal as Vidar.  Certainly pi does not change, does not decay, is immortal ... but if pi is to be called Being and pi does not change, do we then conclude that all which we call Being can not change?  ... i think not.  I know that which answers when i ask "who am i" has changed considerable since i first noted it ... now that might just be me ... or maybe as mark will doubtlessly think, i have not yet answered truthfully ... but none the less it is an interesting thing to contemplate.


You are the one that got hung up on the word change, not me.  You will have to deconfuse it, not me. The chaotic pendulum was a metaphor of something that appears to change but at the core is constant as a program. It is best not to argue or argue about metaphors.

... nothing about change in my statement: "Being doesn't decay it just IS & is independent of time."

Seth says
Sans Obama actually saying this on YouTube I recognize decay:


Seth says
(;-)) 2015-09-16 11:37:46 16833
(;-)) 2015-09-16 11:36:44 16833
Yep YOU focus on decay (probably the wrong word here) & you will see & smell decay.  RS would have looked at the forest & also been able to see the new life springing up.
Tsk ..tsk
Such was what the meditation processes were intended to uncover in Knowledge of the Higher Worlds & their Attainment.


You might want to go find were RS talked about awareness of decay and any particular exercises he prescribed.  I would like to read them now myself, it has been a long time.  But i know that this is not just a LOA thingy, not just a case where we should be oblivious to decay, not just a case for look at the positive and you will find it.  RS did not say get yourself obsessed with decay ... that was not the point of what he was pointing out ... that would be a strawman.  Decaying is a force or a process in nature ... it is similar to digestion from a different viewpoint.  Being oblivious to it, or taking up rwg sides in a battle for or against it, will not help us live successfully with it.

Maybe ask yourself, why have you distracted the focus from recognizing  decay to me and to the opposite of decay?  What is that distraction doing to our gestalts of decay?

Seth says
source: mark

Because I read the reference & did the exercises many times.  On one of my altered states with CJ I was in Mendocino county in the forest & was able in one spot to behold cut off trees with trees growing all around them as if in one panorama of time in the same spot.  Go read the book yourself! (* ) Kindle ed.  There may be a free one on the eLib if you can't afford the $2.99

... good for you ... apparently you can recognize decay in the woods and how from different points of view it is not decay but new growth

Now can you recognize how and why trains of thought decay here at fastblogit?  Do you see any new growth sprouting from the decay from some different point of view?  Maybe see if you can recognize the place where and when 18814 decayed.  Maybe you can assign some credit to the beings involved.  Warning, extreme objectivity is necessary ... taking the perspective of slime mold is not necessarily going to help you grow if you are a tree.

Seth says
Mark 2016-02-03 09:49:14 [item 16833#44431]
We have a good body of conversation on the RWG – it would be a shame to lose it until it has some analysis & resolution.  Like quitting smoking – some declare the Nike motto just stop it, & like the Golden Rule get challenged by you first conundrum!
Just saying ….. & said:
seth 2016-02-03 10:13:47 [item 16833#44440]
well i am in no way proposing deleting our “body of conversation” on RWG laugh.

to be clear,  i am just asking, if when i see rwg decaying thread,  i just delete it, will people tolerate that … and look back and see if they can pick up on the possibilities in that thought that they may have missed because of their egoo?
Mark 2016-02-03 10:14:57 [item 16833#44441]
Yep – asked & answered.
well awesome kewl cool … i did not hear that answered until just now yes

Mark de LA says
Mark 2016-02-03 09:49:14 [item 16833#44431]
We have a good body of conversation on the RWG – it would be a shame to lose it until it has some analysis & resolution.  Like quitting smoking – some declare the Nike motto just stop it, & like the Golden Rule get challenged by you first conundrum!
Just saying ….. & said:
seth 2016-02-03 10:13:47 [item 16833#44440]
well i am in no way proposing deleting our “body of conversation” on RWG laugh.

to be clear,  i am just asking, if when i see rwg decaying thread,  i just delete it, will people tolerate that … and look back and see if they can pick up on the possibilities in that thought that they may have missed because of their egoo?
Yep – asked & answered.  INSPIRING rather than DICTATING works better. Censure always looks like
 

Holmes says
To divert from RWG is is needed to consciously identify ego. And once seen, simply look at it. Be present with it. It is not possible to push against ego. The only thing that can push, control, resist an ego is another ego. One can only be present with it … and the longer one is present and looking at ego, the more the energy the ego is using to sustain itself will return to you. You will gradually feel clearer, more energized, more able, and the ego will dissolve back into it’s state of purpose. RWG is a game sustained by ego only.

All of this is straight up Elkhart Tolle, though my rendition of words and understanding by doing.

Holmes says
Mark 2016-02-03 10:38:17 [item 16833#44447]
The Ego & ego mean different things to different ontologies. RS & GW and anthroposophy agree on a higher/lower model.  Freud had a tripartite – Ego, SuperEgo & Id model. Some just think that what they intone by the word “I” spoken internal audio is all there is. I don’t know what is being referred to above.
 
dA 2016-02-03 10:41:06 [item 16833#44448]
No need to over think it here. If it is a part wanting to continue, it is the ego. That’s the only pointer needed in this context.
Mark 2016-02-03 10:43:14 [item 16833#44449]
Thoroughness need not be considered! yes
You can locate the ego by how it feels compared to how you want to feel. If you try and locate an ego with thoughts your more likely just to be transferring to another ego identity.

Seth says
Mark 2016-02-03 10:38:17 [item 16833#44447]
The Ego & ego mean different things to different ontologies. RS & GW and anthroposophy agree on a higher/lower model.  Freud had a tripartite – Ego, SuperEgo & Id model. Some just think that what they intone by the word “I” spoken internal audio is all there is. I don’t know what is being referred to above.
 
dA 2016-02-03 10:41:06 [item 16833#44448]
No need to over think it here. If it is a part wanting to continue, it is the ego. That’s the only pointer needed in this context.
Mark 2016-02-03 10:43:14 [item 16833#44449]
Thoroughness need not be considered! yes
seth 2016-02-03 10:56:19 [item 16833#44454]
strange … i do not consider that “part of me which wants to continue”, my ego.   i seek a bit more clarity on that matter.
dA 2016-02-03 11:04:21 [item 16833#44457]
It is a very simple thing. At the moment you notice you are in rwg, take one further step and notice that part of you that want’s to respond with another rwg comment. Then, simply be conscious of that which you have noticed. Don’t resist it, don’t push it away, don’t use your will at all. Just be present with it, until eventually you discover you no longer want to respond. Nothing is actually required to know, only to do. Knowing why it works and if it is actually ego or not does not make it work better or worse. But if you want more why, there are several chapters in the Power of Now devoted to it.
i think i am pretty much there on that score … er, not to brag or anything like that grin.

when i am present and know what is going on … i then i try to expect what the consequences to others will be from my response … and even what the consequences of their response will be  … sometimes it takes days… sometimes my response will never come … after all it is not like it is ever required, (marks automatic assumption notwistanding).   Me and mark have a whole lot of practice with this laugh… so in our specific context here, you are a newbe. 

Mark de LA says
Chamelion 2016-03-25 14:04:12 [item 16833#50302]
A thought is just another Being. Thought form is one possible expression of Being – like an image in a mirror or dressing up in a tuxedo & combing one’s hair or singing on a talent show. All else about it is imagination, poetry & possibly spass. smug
Seth 2016-03-25 14:07:59 [item 16833#50303]
yes okay.

but thoughts about thoughts are thoughts too … and have just as much beingness as the objects of their aboutness.   The are all first class citizens.  ← just for the sake of clarity.
Yep – so what’s the big deal? Decay may just be in the mind of the beholder. I think of off-topic material here on my posts as graffiti, spass, munge, rwg, egoo …. etc. Your results may vary according to your own mirrors & cosmetics.

Mark de LA says
Making the RWG wrong is more RWG – in your parlance just adding to the pile of decay. I would prefer to think in terms of making roses grow out of manure piles with your contribution not being the rose. laughing

Mark de LA says
Maybe not decay or momentum maybe just flushing the brain-toilet is what’s going on. Sending a thought off on a different journey. laughing

Seth says
nathan 2016-03-25 14:52:34 [item 16833#50310]
The thought wants to stay around. If it were to go off, it would dissipate or become dormant. Negative thoughts require a lot of energy to exist. The very nature of a negative vibration is it’s disharmonious nature. Much more energy is required to sustain a disharmonious vibration than a harmonious one. RWG thoughts stick close and do all they can to keep the energy flowing to sustain them. They feed, it’s their nature.
well your right there …  “RWG thoughts stick close and do all they can to keep the energy flowing to sustain them. They feed, it’s their nature.” yes

But again who are you ?  Which side are you on?   This is where the positive aspects of this ego membrane (as i call it) steps in and helps us decide to chirp into something vibrating that will strangely our own spirit or deem it unhealthy for our very existence … er, use the “d” word on it … RWG is decay. 

Seth says
nathan 2016-03-25 13:52:32 [item 16833#50299]
RWG is nothing more than a thought continuing to think. Once started, it can spiral down into lower and lower thought forms drawing in more and more energy to sustain those lower vibrations. Or, it can spiral up into co-creative thought forms and release energy in the process. Thoughts have momentum and the direction they are trending in will be the easiest for one to continue upon … but no thought form is decay, it is only an idea, a vibration, a crystalline glimpse.
Seth 2016-03-25 14:01:09 [item 16833#50301]
well when RWG “spiral down into lower and lower thought forms drawing in more and more energy to sustain those lower vibrations” , then the desired vibrations are drowned out and cannot survive.   I call that decay.   I observe the same kind of processes in natural organic life, where some energy takes over and robbs all of its surrondings of life … when you see that i am almost certain you would agree with me, that relative to your life, it was decay.  So this is where if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc etc, then we are permitted to call it a duck. 

Now saying that is not to cop a aug about decay.  Decay is part of the beauty of all there is … me, i love it … truly i do.   But here is where my ego (the good part) steps forward and insists that i continue.  Hence i tend to steer clear of decay … and RWG too … for pretty much the same reason.
nathan 2016-03-25 14:10:25 [item 16833#50304]
I agree that decay is not bad and is part of the beauty of nature.  

I don’t agree that RWG is decay. Decay is a process of breaking something down and transforming it into something else. RWG is the sustaining of a form … keeping it going, vivid, and in control. They are very different processes even when they stimulate similar feelings.

You also assume that RWG drowns out desired vibrations. I don’t think that is true. Desired vibrations are what tend to happen, even where RWG is present … and true desire can shift RWG when it is not what is wanted. Something wants it, or it would not continue.
Seth 2016-03-25 14:28:58 [item 16833#50307]
i think you missed the “when” part.  I’m not saying that it is always the case … rather just using your words “ it can spiral down into lower and lower thought forms drawing in more and more energy” … so when that happens, where do you suppose the energy is coming from? … er, from other vibrations (other beings) which need that energy to grow.   

for me this is not just theortical.  I see it happening again and again.  Especially here in fbi dialogue where a rwg being gets vibrating louder and louder and all other beings are strangled.   That is decay.  Like i said, if it walks like a duck, we can call it a “duck” and this duck quack just like decay. 

And of course perchance my decay is your food … etc … and which side you are on is just a  matter of perspective.  But we can not, not take sides … that is what we do … we survive. 

And also which side you are on is just competition … may the fittest man win … that makes the whole better and better.  Way to go, right?  But if RWG is just competition, and if the RWG itself is what is surviving … and all else is being strangeled … if you are being strangeled, me thinks it is wize to recognize this quacking duck and avoid it as you would tooth decay.   
nathan 2016-03-25 14:36:52 [item 16833#50308]
Well, for the reasons I already give, I still disagree. Decay is a breaking down. RWG is a sustaining and often building of a more complex thing. Decay cycles to a new sprouting. RWG does not. RWG is a thought continuing … a winner is not really desired, but is only the motivator to keep things going. The thought wants to continue, to survive, to be recognized, to have a life of it’s own. In most respects, RWG is the opposite of decay. It is the birth of a negative entity form that wants to survive and continue.
Seth 2016-03-25 14:54:13 [item 16833#50311]
well the more we talk here about this, the more i think we are talking about the same thing.   notwistanding that you claim we still disagree.

Most of what you said there i heartily agree with.   But your treatment of it assumes no particular perspective.   Yet as we both have said, i think,  decay is relative.  If you are the worms and the fungus invading a barely living body, then you are breaking it down and sustaining your being.   But if you are the barely living body … those worms and fungus are decay.  I claim we can not, not choose a perspective and grok this concept of decay. 

Now when interesting thoughts are beings and the worms and fungus is the RWG which is continuing and getting stronger,  I call the RWG decay. 

But sure, as mark is pointing out,  from decay grows roses.  Some things can emerge triumphant from RWG too … and in that rare rare case when that happens, what is usually the case? → i’m betting it is where someone discovered a right in the other mans wrong, or maybe a wrong in their own right.   But then that was not RWG who did that  … that was in fact the opposite of RWG who did that. 
nathan 2016-03-25 15:15:45 [item 16833#50313]
The perspectives as you are calling them are agenda and results based. They are aspects of particular humans and what they may want in a particular moment. They are separate from RWG and could be said to be similar in many processes, not only RWG. The only agenda RWG as is to survive. Not even to be right. The goal of being right is only a means to maintain the vibration of the sustaining energy flow of the right nature to keep the thought form going. Other goals than being right would also serve that purpose, to feed, to survive.

You also judge the survival to be wrong. That is a personal judgment. It is not of the nature of RWG which is neither wrong or right, simply survival.
Well i have no troubles with your first paragraph smiley … it hangs together well.  I don’t, however, usually separate myself from my own actions (speech, writing, thinking, or feeling) … so where i get grabbed by another’s thought of me being wrong, and of my nature habitually respond in opposition … that is me doing RWG, not as you seem to talk the RWG sustaining itself apart from me.  But i can think that way too … kind of kewl actually yes.

Yet in your second paragraph you suddenly say surprise,  “You judge survival to be wrong” … talking about me i must suppose …  then i certainly do a double take … for me, i have never made such a judgment.   But i certainly do judge RWG to be wrong where it drowns out and strangles my other thoughts. 

Mark de LA says
Perhaps my last comment was a poor choice of words. Anyway, what I do when my posts attract too much graffiti or rwg I turn them  into drafts.  Then after a while I review them & if I still want them I remove the offending graffiti or put them in the back room for fermenting. This forces me to try to prevent forking by ending most trains of thought prematurely but otherwise pruning gets harsh. I have several in this category already. 

Seth says
[!kudos mark : 2 for using the system to do it your way.  see http://www.fastblogit.com/item/16833#50320 ]

Mark de LA says
nathan 2016-03-25 20:06:27 [item 16833#50322]
+1 !#kudos 
Seth 2016-03-25 20:15:13 [item 16833#50323]
pondering who get’s those kudos? … or is it like drinks all around grin
Obscure code for obscure robots.

Mark de LA says
Chamelion 2016-03-25 15:29:12 [item 16833#50314]
Some people when they flush their brain-toilet want to keep it around & play with it. Me,I – would rather listen for the slurp & shut the lid. laughing
nathan 2016-03-25 17:24:00 [item 16833#50315]
I guess it all just depends on if it gets dark when the lid closes, right?
Seth 2016-03-25 17:39:42 [item 16833#50317]
laughing
Innuendo for obscure robots.

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