My reaction to Tea Party Propoganda

About: rules for patriots

source: my comment on mark's propoganda

Well i too think we have a serious problem with corrupting government and its bureaucratic incompetence.   Freedom is great ... but it is only half of the story.  The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world.  Sorry, i feel the  polarity fighting of Tea Party (freedomworks.org) is having the opposite effect of decaying our collective orginism under the guize of the propaganda of freedom.  Not my thing.

But it might be interesting to look at these 13 categories, not from the point of view of left/right polarity ... but from a intention to  guide our society and help it work better.  For example the last one, ... polarity ..., that might be changed into something more like: recognition and consciousness moving to agreement.   We might be able to come up with similar solutions for each of those 13 categories.  But, of course, that is all just in the meta world of "story" ... it won't necessarily improve our organism ... and if we fight over it, it would tend just to decay it.
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Seth says
Don't comment on this item unless you understand what is being said.

Seth says
ME 2013-10-24 07:52:22 16849
My reaction to your reaction about what you call tea party propaganda:  Lefties have no principles they can articulate & derive things worthwhile, in-the-world action, because it would expose their real motives & principles which are not aligned with the best goals & aims of humanity. Instead RR#5 is their supper.  If you doubt this & can get beyond RR#5 articulate one! & any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!


One of the important  principles from the other side is tolerance ... which has the effect of allowing  freedom for the other guy ... not just freedom for things like yourself.  That is really quite a important and  advanced principle that needs to be accepted, if freedom in of our lives is to be preserved into our complex modern world where everything is differentiating more and more.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-25 06:20:12 16849
ME 2013-10-24 07:52:22 16849
My reaction to your reaction about what you call tea party propaganda:  Lefties have no principles they can articulate & derive things worthwhile, in-the-world action, because it would expose their real motives & principles which are not aligned with the best goals & aims of humanity. Instead RR#5 is their supper.  If you doubt this & can get beyond RR#5 articulate one! & any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!


One of the important  principles from the other side is tolerance ... which has the effect of allowing  freedom for the other guy ... not just freedom for things like yourself.  That is really quite a important and  advanced principle that needs to be accepted, if freedom in of our lives is to be preserved into our complex modern world where everything is differentiating more and more.
Demonstrate ! Be tolerant & free & move your consciousness & recognize the tenets of the Tea Party on freedom as being good for the country! Try hard to agree with something you disagree with.


Seth says
What is your definition of tolerance? What might be a project that would demonstrate tolerance from your side to mine? What would it look like when tolerance was happening in the project? How would you know that tolerance was happening? (visual, audio, kinesthetic - internal & external) . How could your project be a model for the larger politic of the day?


Seth says
I for one would like to see the Golden Rule penetrate governments of all kind.  A simple implementation might be all rules created by governments apply equally to those in government as it applies to the governed.  It would look like freedom from special perks for those in government. A good example is what pope Francis seems to be doing for his domain of the Catholic church.


Seth says
ME 2013-10-25 07:21:25 16849
seth 2013-10-25 06:20:12 16849
ME 2013-10-24 07:52:22 16849
My reaction to your reaction about what you call tea party propaganda:  Lefties have no principles they can articulate & derive things worthwhile, in-the-world action, because it would expose their real motives & principles which are not aligned with the best goals & aims of humanity. Instead RR#5 is their supper.  If you doubt this & can get beyond RR#5 articulate one! & any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!


One of the important  principles from the other side is tolerance ... which has the effect of allowing  freedom for the other guy ... not just freedom for things like yourself.  That is really quite a important and  advanced principle that needs to be accepted, if freedom in of our lives is to be preserved into our complex modern world where everything is differentiating more and more.
Demonstrate ! Be tolerant & free & move your consciousness & recognize the tenets of the Tea Party on freedom as being good for the country! Try hard to agree with something you disagree with.


my complaint with the tea party, as previously reported, is that what they say and do and how they are funded and how they obstruct and corrupt our democracy.  as far as i can telly they are just more of the same old corruption masquerading  under the banner of freedom.   we could go into details, but then you will just stubbornly argue for your side with no comprehension of the other side.   kind of ironice there, eh ... using the tactic of polarity to argue your point.   in a way you have this process check mated in your mind ... me, i won't be going down that path with you. ... err ... not my thing.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-25 07:40:56 16849
ME 2013-10-25 07:21:25 16849
seth 2013-10-25 06:20:12 16849
ME 2013-10-24 07:52:22 16849
My reaction to your reaction about what you call tea party propaganda:  Lefties have no principles they can articulate & derive things worthwhile, in-the-world action, because it would expose their real motives & principles which are not aligned with the best goals & aims of humanity. Instead RR#5 is their supper.  If you doubt this & can get beyond RR#5 articulate one! & any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!


One of the important  principles from the other side is tolerance ... which has the effect of allowing  freedom for the other guy ... not just freedom for things like yourself.  That is really quite a important and  advanced principle that needs to be accepted, if freedom in of our lives is to be preserved into our complex modern world where everything is differentiating more and more.
Demonstrate ! Be tolerant & free & move your consciousness & recognize the tenets of the Tea Party on freedom as being good for the country! Try hard to agree with something you disagree with.


my complaint with the tea party, as previously reported, is that what they say and do and how they are funded and how they obstruct and corrupt our democracy.  as far as i can telly they are just more of the same old corruption masquerading  under the banner of freedom.   we could go into details, but then you will just stubbornly argue for your side with no comprehension of the other side.   kind of ironice there, eh ... using the tactic of polarity to argue your point.   in a way you have this process check mated in your mind ... me, i won't be going down that path with you. ... err ... not my thing.
You are dripping with tolerance my friend!

Seth says
... err , maybe starting out tolerance with complaints about the other guy is weighted on the samo-samo rwg, eh?


Seth says
ME 2013-10-25 07:21:25 16849
seth 2013-10-25 06:20:12 16849
ME 2013-10-24 07:52:22 16849
My reaction to your reaction about what you call tea party propaganda:  Lefties have no principles they can articulate & derive things worthwhile, in-the-world action, because it would expose their real motives & principles which are not aligned with the best goals & aims of humanity. Instead RR#5 is their supper.  If you doubt this & can get beyond RR#5 articulate one! & any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!


One of the important  principles from the other side is tolerance ... which has the effect of allowing  freedom for the other guy ... not just freedom for things like yourself.  That is really quite a important and  advanced principle that needs to be accepted, if freedom in of our lives is to be preserved into our complex modern world where everything is differentiating more and more.
Demonstrate ! Be tolerant & free & move your consciousness & recognize the tenets of the Tea Party on freedom as being good for the country! Try hard to agree with something you disagree with.


hey,  individual freedom is good ... but organization is necessary.   there is that contradiction in our lives.   i'm not going to go all to one side or the other here.   i need to stay focused on each specific change within the context of my intentions ... recognizing i am living and so is my society.

i really like recognizing contradictions in my life ... then not siding with one side and denying the other side ... but rather trying to move in a direction where both sides harmonize.  
that feels good ...

Seth says
A living contradiction , err ... that excludes the Tea Party ... maybe ... err ... lets examine something specific like the idea of lowering taxes or the size of government?  How does your stand of tolerance work with that?


Seth says
Freedom & organizing, community wise or otherwise are opposites poles. Consider please this:


Seth says
you  should take my silence here as my recognition that we are just going down the same old polarity argumentative path.  wasting that energy is really really not my thing now.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-25 09:02:14 16849
you  should take my silence here as my recognition that we are just going down the same old polarity argumentative path.  wasting that energy is really really not my thing now.
& neither is tolerance your thingy either! Q.E.D.


Seth says
seth 2013-10-26 13:28:48 16849
and just so you might understand how what you just said feels to me a little metaphor is in order ... it feels a bit like im a horney girl who you just fucked,  and now, dripping in your cum,  you tell me my  orgasm would have had nothing to do with the fuck.   in other words ... you might want to think about the nature of otherness as you judge somebody's else's considered response to one of your pearls.
I grok this as your fucking comment!
I counter yours with the metaphor, analogy or meme as inviting you to dinner to a lobster & fillet mignon & instead you catered this:


Seth says
seth 2013-10-27 09:38:35 16849
well i would not  call that project, self centered, rather it is centered in my local community.  unlike spending millions on TV commercials and gerrymandering districts to get representatives to blackmail the full faith and credit of the american people.  i don't know what zen means to you anymore, but i choose being present to how i actually live rather than being duped into the media circus that is Washington DC, a step in that direction.  but, hey, you spin the meta meta story however you want ... i'm out of here, i am betting now that you may have already heard what i said.
Yep a real zinger ... missed my point but who gives a shit anyway - self is the center of your universe. 
P.S. I do approve, applaud & find your Rhenton thingy appealing but you went this way on my idea of principles


Seth says
well i would not  call that project, self centered, rather it is centered in my local community.  unlike spending millions on TV commercials and gerrymandering districts to get representatives to blackmail the full faith and credit of the american people.  i don't know what zen means to you anymore, but i choose being present to how i actually live rather than being duped into the media circus that is Washington DC, a step in that direction.  but, hey, you spin the meta meta story however you want ... i'm out of here, i am betting now that you may have already heard what i said.

Seth says
source: mark asked above for
... " any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!"
... here is an example.   note that is not just more of the same old meta-story-fight.  it is grass roots action to solve our problems and move us into a different world.  This is the kind of thing that i would like to come to your mind when i say a sentence like the above, "The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world."

Seth says
seth 2013-10-25 15:26:45 16849
source: mark asked above for
... " any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!"
... here is an example.   note that is not just more of the same old meta-story-fight.  it is grass roots action to solve our problems and move us into a different world.  This is the kind of thing that i would like to come to your mind when i say a sentence like the above, "The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world."
that scales up top what? illustrates what principle? how can that experience solve more than getting pumpkin soup? we did a lot of sharing in PJ2 was that also something of interest here?


Seth says
seth 2013-10-26 08:22:30 16849
ME 2013-10-25 16:08:56 16849
seth 2013-10-25 15:26:45 16849
source: mark asked above for
... " any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!"
... here is an example.   note that is not just more of the same old meta-story-fight.  it is grass roots action to solve our problems and move us into a different world.  This is the kind of thing that i would like to come to your mind when i say a sentence like the above, "The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world."
that scales up top what? illustrates what principle? how can that experience solve more than getting pumpkin soup? we did a lot of sharing in PJ2 was that also something of interest here?


its done to get the pumpkins growing in some gardens in renton into bowls of soup on family tables in a way that feels good ... not done to "illustrate principle".  i do dream that it scales up in my life to more of the food i eat ... since i have fun cooking food that i know ... but that takes quite a bit of the courage to change my social and cultural habits and then too it is not just me there.  but, if you want to go buy soup from a can in the supermarket ... let me know how it feels ... and tastes ... and if you can actually get any real pumpkin soup.
Actually, I make my own.  Used a recipe from Emeril Legasse some of which are here. I applaud your efforts especially the one of the Renton CO-op thingy. You must understand my reaction to your reaction to my reaction to your reaction is that this has nothing to do with the topic of the item nor any of the questions & comments which I rased.  Thanks for sharing.


Seth says
ME 2013-10-25 16:08:56 16849
seth 2013-10-25 15:26:45 16849
source: mark asked above for
... " any practical project or action that resulted & worked & didn't rob the people!"
... here is an example.   note that is not just more of the same old meta-story-fight.  it is grass roots action to solve our problems and move us into a different world.  This is the kind of thing that i would like to come to your mind when i say a sentence like the above, "The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world."
that scales up top what? illustrates what principle? how can that experience solve more than getting pumpkin soup? we did a lot of sharing in PJ2 was that also something of interest here?


its done to get the pumpkins growing in some gardens in renton into bowls of soup on family tables in a way that feels good ... not done to "illustrate principle".  i do dream that it scales up in my life to more of the food i eat ... since i have fun cooking food that i know ... but that takes quite a bit of the courage to change my social and cultural habits and then too it is not just me there.  but, if you want to go buy soup from a can in the supermarket ... let me know how it feels ... and tastes ... and if you can actually get any real pumpkin soup.

Seth says
source: mark says
you must understand my reaction to your reaction to my reaction to your reaction is that this has nothing to do with the topic of the item nor any of the questions & comments which I rased.
... but, you see, to me it does ... and exactly in this way :

source: seth in response to your promoting the tea party fight story

Well i too think we have a serious problem with corrupting government and its bureaucratic incompetence.   Freedom is great ... but it is only half of the story.  The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world.  Sorry, i feel the  polarity fighting of Tea Party (freedomworks.org) is having the opposite effect of decaying our collective orginism under the guize of the propaganda of freedom.  Not my thing.
...

to spell it out:  you yourself have said, quite a number of times, that politics is just rwg ... all the way down.  i agree.  your tea party sites are to me the worst of it.  not my thing.  not something that i am going to wast my breath with you arguing about.   rather would that i do real projects that would tend to move our culture in a real direction of bio-dynamic health.  no arguing principles or any of that meta-story fighting.  i had even thought you would have appreciate the zen of that. 

Seth says
and just so you might understand how what you just said feels to me a little metaphor is in order ... it feels a bit like im a horney girl who you just fucked,  and now, dripping in your cum,  you tell me my  orgasm would have had nothing to do with the fuck.   in other words ... you might want to think about the nature of otherness as you judge somebody's else's considered response to one of your pearls.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-26 12:59:25 16849
source: mark says
you must understand my reaction to your reaction to my reaction to your reaction is that this has nothing to do with the topic of the item nor any of the questions & comments which I rased.
... but, you see, to me it does ... and exactly in this way :

source: seth in response to your promoting the tea party fight story

Well i too think we have a serious problem with corrupting government and its bureaucratic incompetence.   Freedom is great ... but it is only half of the story.  The other half is our organism working as a balanced whole while it grows into the new world.  Sorry, i feel the  polarity fighting of Tea Party (freedomworks.org) is having the opposite effect of decaying our collective orginism under the guize of the propaganda of freedom.  Not my thing.
...

to spell it out:  you yourself have said, quite a number of times, that politics is just rwg ... all the way down.  i agree.  your tea party sites are to me the worst of it.  not my thing.  not something that i am going to wast my breath with you arguing about.   rather would that i do real projects that would tend to move our culture in a real direction of bio-dynamic health.  no arguing principles or any of that meta-story fighting.  i had even thought you would have appreciate the zen of that. 
Making the RWG is just RWG .  Being present to it & choosing a different direction or dynamic is Zen not what you have said.  I get that you are self centered & working from principles is imho not your thing except that principle is your invention. When the questions are hard & you lack credible answers is the time for you to leave the discussion. 
THanks for sharing.

Seth says
well your principles  are fine stories ... but just stories.  they are quite elsewhere when the will to action happens.  the will of action ... to me that is zen ... that is me being present to what is happening.  that's where i like to go.  no bro, you will not find a compliant neophyte here when you preach your principle stories to me ... those stories are quite too easily corrupted to be used to rationalize the opposite of true harmonized action. 

Seth says
in fact, you have the tea party itself as a prime example of principles being used to rationalize horeshit behavior of the worst kind.  but then you won't see the horeshit, you only see the principle.  that itself is a famous strategy of a demigod ... better than any of allinsky's.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-27 10:50:14 16849
in fact, you have the tea party itself as a prime example of principles being used to rationalize horeshit behavior of the worst kind.  but then you won't see the horeshit, you only see the principle.  that itself is a famous strategy of a demigod ... better than any of allinsky's.
Yep RWG without substance - misscharacterization rolled up in lies with a whole pile of piss & vinegar without any core values in it. Dead burritos & dry chicken for all!  One in every pot!



Seth says
Actually there is nothing new here! Maybe you should re-read the stanzas on the Right Wrong Game [cf: item 4413] & maybe beat off! Here is a picture for you:



Seth says
well i presume you could  know that "zen" is just a word like "love" which we can call out to report a special feeling.  when i am close to something and moving in my deeds irrelevant to its meta abstraction in the world then i call out "zen" ... that is my very special peculiar thing there ... you no doubt have a very particular other thing.  no purpose is served by mine being the real "zen" and yours not ... or visa versa ... they both exist and they both are real to each other respectively. a great deal of very honest and precise communication between us no doubt could make our words more precisely coincide with what we feel ... alternatively just respecting this situation might do just as well.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-29 08:52:42 16849
well i presume you could  know that "zen" is just a word like "love" which we can call out to report a special feeling.  when i am close to something and moving in my deeds irrelevant to its meta abstraction in the world then i call out "zen" ... that is my very special peculiar thing there ... you no doubt have a very particular other thing.  no purpose is served by mine being the real "zen" and yours not ... or visa versa ... they both exist and they both are real to each other respectively. a great deal of very honest and precise communication between us no doubt could make our words more precisely coincide with what we feel ... alternatively just respecting this situation might do just as well.
To quibble about zen is so you - a sleeve for any job.

Seth says
source: mark asks
Which component are you reacting to right now?
... i was reacting to the tea parties's rules for patriots and in general that kind of diverting people's attention with big bucks spent on TV commercials and D.C style media drama when instead we need to  be learning to recognize the minimum situations that need to be governed and how to agree to do that effectively.

Seth says
Found here in facebook today.  Which component are you reacting to right now?


Seth says
source: so mark plays partisan politics
Why should you care about money & advertizement when the POTUS  gets free time on all the M$M & slave blogs to invade our news spaces; relentlessly campaigning for bigger government & more bread & circuses for the masses, while not being held accountable for any of it?

... right after seth points at what he thinks is the real direction away from specifically that.  the only strange ironic curiosity is why mark thinks that habitual behavior would be of interest here.

Seth says
seth 2013-10-30 11:05:24 16849
source: so mark plays partisan politics
Why should you care about money & advertizement when the POTUS  gets free time on all the M$M & slave blogs to invade our news spaces; relentlessly campaigning for bigger government & more bread & circuses for the masses, while not being held accountable for any of it?

... right after seth points at what he thinks is the real direction away from specifically that.  the only strange ironic curiosity is why mark thinks that habitual behavior would be of interest here.
Playing the partisan card or the race card is just more politics. Watch the POTUS everytime he complains & makes excuses. Bemoaning advertizement money etc. (see your previous comment) is just the partisan card. Phooey! Try being non partisan yourself!



Seth says
ME 2013-10-30 12:25:17 16849
Even the title of this item is partisan & the whole purpose is such.

yep ... the item is saying that i believe the tea party is going is the wrong direction ... and why.

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