The Borg ? The Barge

About: barge mystery solved: floating structures tied to google : the two-way : npr

It is interesting in the context of NSA spying &  controversy & google glass potential that they seem to be gearing up to make google glass a trendy, fad thing. Paranoid thoughts that occur for me are:

Tags

  1. barge
  2. google
  3. spying
  4. google glasses
  5. privacy
  6. secrecy

Comments


Seth says
P.S. I do love the new technology it is like any tool you can use it for good or evil or no purpose at all ...  & like the Internet there are hackers & anarchists who will muck it up for effect.


Seth says
Nice use for cargo containers, though

Seth says
thing is with google glass, everybody will be able to recognize that you are wearing them.  i think anyone who is into snapping memories and compose that media of their life will love to use them ... but, unfortunately, i think they are a bit pricey for my pocket book. 

i love the apple stores ... google needs them too.   the container thingey seems strange ... i guess we wont know where one will show up. 

Seth says
and a bit of an exmaple may serve to comprehend my attitude twards google glassess.  a security guard will accost you if he finds you taking indiscriminate picture in the south center mall.  apparently that is just their policy.  perhaps this is relaxed a bit on Halloween ... and i snapped some ... one in particular i publish below.  thing is, holding up a camera, especially a iPhone, and getting it focused and correctly in the frame with motion going on and all is, at least for me now, quite a catch and go event ... and rarely works.   stills are quite a bit easier.   google glassess, if well execuited, should advance the state of that art.

Slender mickey mouse girl pushing a baby carriage ...



Seth says
seth 2013-11-03 19:32:56 16872
ME 2013-11-03 13:06:53 16872
kewl. I guess in a brave new world we have to be prepared to show up on Facebook or Assbook at any moment.



well yes i rather think that is the case.   the day when aspects our person do not show up publically for all to see are, me thinks, gone.   oh sure with extraordinary care one could be almost invisible to public access ... but why?   this is the world we live in today.  Making laws and the draconian measure that would be necessary to go back to the olden times are like using band-aids to stop a flood. 
Well then, curious but while I have nothing to hide in particular , there are these pesky 4th & 5th amendments which bear on privacy ... isn't that the justification for abortion?
 US Constitution 4th & 5th amendments for reference:

Amendment IV Essays »

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V Essays »

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

... some like Alinsky's 4th rule instead: rules & principles - who cares?

“Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.”  16823  (#4)
- I think my personal life is nobody else's business except that I choose where & when to disclose it instead of having to cover it up from spys however technologically savvy or assisted or new age social networked.


Seth says
This is kinda a corollary:

The new pre-screening procedure is more exhaustive than a federal background check. The TSA will now be dramatically expanding their reach into the lives of every passenger, and scouring all of the following documents, according to the New York Times:

  • private employment information
  • vehicle registrations
  • travel history
  • property ownership records
  • physical characteristics
  • tax identification numbers
  • past travel itineraries
  • law enforcement information
  • “intelligence” information
  • passport numbers
  • frequent flier information
  • other “identifiers” linked to DHS databases


Seth says
seth 2013-11-04 06:46:37 16872
give me a break.  being photographed in public places by private parties has absolutely nothing to do the the constitution of the federal government.
UNTIL YOU PUBLISH IT! (electronically or otherwise).   But if you have no intention to publish, why take the picture in the first place ?  Voyers, perverts & everyone is now a potential spy thinking notwithstanding.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-04 07:32:18 16872
ME 2013-11-04 06:52:01 16872
seth 2013-11-04 06:46:37 16872
give me a break.  being photographed in public places by private parties has absolutely nothing to do the the constitution of the federal government.
UNTIL YOU PUBLISH IT! (electronically or otherwise).   But if you have no intention to publish, why take the picture in the first place ?  Voyers, perverts & everyone is now a potential spy thinking notwithstanding.

well there is no federal constitutional law relating to this, nor have you shown that there is.  nor is there any reason for the federal government to obstruct public awareness here.  compare your notions to the gun controversy ... were public photographing and publishing be illegal, only governments would be doing it. 
Yep., he who wanted to be an actor & live in public will find no problem with it.  It is about principles, but that's not your strong suit, eh? The notion is right there in IV to wit

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects


Seth says
the real question here is the value of public awareness vs private secrecy.  what kind of culture do we want?   do we want to live in private boxes?   ... or do we want to live together with everyone knowing what is going on?   Me i prefer to have both ... when i am in my private space i control access ... when i am in a public space, then i have no such control ... what i do and say and look like is viable to all in that space. 

Seth says
seth 2013-11-04 08:17:04 16872
the real question here is the value of public awareness vs private secrecy.  what kind of culture do we want?   do we want to live in private boxes?   ... or do we want to live together with everyone knowing what is going on?   Me i prefer to have both ... when i am in my private space i control access ... when i am in a public space, then i have no such control ... what i do and say and look like is viable to all in that space. 
I don't care what YOU want to do - go DOIT!  Build your walls of glass.  OTOH I don't want you to voyer into mine.  Funny thingy is that Obama's not so transparent government which should be transparent is one of the most secretive since Nixon. I'm all for public servants standing up close scrutiny - starting at the top w/ SCRDUS.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-04 07:50:28 16872
ME 2013-11-04 07:45:22 16872
seth 2013-11-04 07:32:18 16872
ME 2013-11-04 06:52:01 16872
seth 2013-11-04 06:46:37 16872
give me a break.  being photographed in public places by private parties has absolutely nothing to do the the constitution of the federal government.
UNTIL YOU PUBLISH IT! (electronically or otherwise).   But if you have no intention to publish, why take the picture in the first place ?  Voyers, perverts & everyone is now a potential spy thinking notwithstanding.

well there is no federal constitutional law relating to this, nor have you shown that there is.  nor is there any reason for the federal government to obstruct public awareness here.  compare your notions to the gun controversy ... were public photographing and publishing be illegal, only governments would be doing it. 
Yep., he who wanted to be an actor & live in public will find no problem with it.  It is about principles, but that's not your strong suit, eh? The notion is right there in IV to wit

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects


public places are not private places.   and that "right" is against federal intrusion.  
YEP! PRINCIPLE IS NOT YOUR STRONG SUIT!  JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN DO IT OR IT IS LEGAL DOES NOT MEAN YOU SHOULD DO IT!

Seth says
seth 2013-11-04 09:18:37 16872
ME 2013-11-04 08:34:04 16872
seth 2013-11-04 08:17:04 16872
the real question here is the value of public awareness vs private secrecy.  what kind of culture do we want?   do we want to live in private boxes?   ... or do we want to live together with everyone knowing what is going on?   Me i prefer to have both ... when i am in my private space i control access ... when i am in a public space, then i have no such control ... what i do and say and look like is viable to all in that space. 
I don't care what YOU want to do - go DOIT!  Build your walls of glass.  OTOH I don't want you to voyer into mine.  Funny thingy is that Obama's not so transparent government which should be transparent is one of the most secretive since Nixon. I'm all for public servants standing up close scrutiny - starting at the top w/ SCRDUS.


see that is your twist on what i said ... hence irrelevant to it.  if i am in my private space, then my walls are not made of glass ... and certainly if you are in your private space and i spy through those walls, then i am invading your privacy.   the question is what kind of public spaces do we want to participate in.   you seem to be arguing for some kind of ambiguity and confusion in how we use our public spaces. 
Ignore everything else & go for the twist: (reductio ad absurdum) -

(*)

Seth says
... & back to the barges: (*)

Google has issued a statement (finally?) about its months-long mystery barge project. The barges, which are anchored in both Portland, Maine and San Francisco, have been the topic of intense interest since multiple reports surfaced last month.

A Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that the barges are ‘an interactive space’ to teach people about its technology:

Google Barge … A floating data center? A wild party boat? A barge housing the last remaining dinosaur? Sadly, none of the above. Although it’s still early days and things may change, we’re exploring using the barge as an interactive space where people can learn about new technology.



Seth says
the fun thing for me is to see how these mobile containers are going to be placed and/or moved around.   how will we know where they will show up?   will there be a bit of a element of surprise there?  All of the company "product trailers" that i have seen show up at street fairs have been pretty boring ... this may, or may not be different.  Alternatively the apple stores and even the new Microsoft stores have been pretty kewl. 

Seth says
seth 2013-11-07 08:03:58 16872
the fun thing for me is to see how these mobile containers are going to be placed and/or moved around.   how will we know where they will show up?   will there be a bit of a element of surprise there?  All of the company "product trailers" that i have seen show up at street fairs have been pretty boring ... this may, or may not be different.  Alternatively the apple stores and even the new Microsoft stores have been pretty kewl. 
I thought that perhaps Nate was in on this since he is near Portland Maine. OTOH, a barge of that size moving is not likely a surprise.


Seth says
ME 2013-11-07 09:02:27 16872
seth 2013-11-07 08:55:41 16872
ME 2013-11-07 08:39:34 16872
seth 2013-11-07 08:03:58 16872
the fun thing for me is to see how these mobile containers are going to be placed and/or moved around.   how will we know where they will show up?   will there be a bit of a element of surprise there?  All of the company "product trailers" that i have seen show up at street fairs have been pretty boring ... this may, or may not be different.  Alternatively the apple stores and even the new Microsoft stores have been pretty kewl. 
I thought that perhaps Nate was in on this since he is near Portland Maine. OTOH, a barge of that size moving is not likely a surprise.

Why do you say "Portland Maine" ... this barge is in the San Francisco bay ... no?   <<==

I am wondering if these barges will only show up on water ways ... or whether they will also be ported on flatbeds.  Most big cities have access to major water ways ... we have Elliot Bay here in the Seattle area ... even Renton has lake Washington which is accessible to a barge.   For me it is not the kind of surprise where you couldn't see it comming at all ... but rather the surprise that the facitility wasn't there and now it is ... i don't know if you can see the difference.  For example when an Apple store shows up in a mall, it stays there ... we then always know where that store is.  Are these "barges" going to be differeent?  Once they get docked at the waterfront, are they going to stay there?
I thought it was all one building, but maybe it is a bunch of boxcar buildings, eh? See the link to portland maine or follow link here.


this particular wikipedia article from that search reveals the connection to Portland Maine.   i think my perception that these are going to be mobile platforms that dock at waterfronts persists.

Seth says
seth 2013-11-07 08:55:41 16872
ME 2013-11-07 08:39:34 16872
seth 2013-11-07 08:03:58 16872
the fun thing for me is to see how these mobile containers are going to be placed and/or moved around.   how will we know where they will show up?   will there be a bit of a element of surprise there?  All of the company "product trailers" that i have seen show up at street fairs have been pretty boring ... this may, or may not be different.  Alternatively the apple stores and even the new Microsoft stores have been pretty kewl. 
I thought that perhaps Nate was in on this since he is near Portland Maine. OTOH, a barge of that size moving is not likely a surprise.

Why do you say "Portland Maine" ... this barge is in the San Francisco bay ... no?   <<==

I am wondering if these barges will only show up on water ways ... or whether they will also be ported on flatbeds.  Most big cities have access to major water ways ... we have Elliot Bay here in the Seattle area ... even Renton has lake Washington which is accessible to a barge.   For me it is not the kind of surprise where you couldn't see it comming at all ... but rather the surprise that the facitility wasn't there and now it is ... i don't know if you can see the difference.  For example when an Apple store shows up in a mall, it stays there ... we then always know where that store is.  Are these "barges" going to be differeent?  Once they get docked at the waterfront, are they going to stay there?
I thought it was all one building, but maybe it is a bunch of boxcar buildings, eh? See the link to portland maine or follow link here.


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