Let it be Said ...

I am willing to sacrifice my personal privacy to the gods of technology & the NSA [see: item 16873] if all those in the ruling class starting with POTUS, FLOTUS et al. make their governing perfectly & precisely transparent & open & available, public or private to any & all inquiries, immediately & forever so that I know what anyone wherever, whenever, etc. might, can & intend to do with it!

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  2. spy vs spy

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Seth says
http://www.infowars.com/new-mesh-network-documents-confirm-police-vehicles-real-time-access-to-dhs-spy-cameras/
above: ...
...
Big
Brother IS watching you. We have created Huxley's Brave New World
.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-12 15:06:03 16876
ME 2013-11-12 14:45:36 16876
seth 2013-11-12 13:46:37 16876
So we have returned full circle to what I originally posted. New information?

well now i'm wondering ... what propositions need more examination?

Apparently this may well be a tracking system for police to use to enforce laws and civil decorum in down town Seattle.  Is this a radical step infringing on deserved privacy of people in a public space, or merely a more efficient way to track people's movements in public when there is a emergency like the Boston Bomings?  Certainly that is a judgement call.  What needs of a fair witness here?
Benjamin Franklin

“Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”― Benjamin Franklin ...

& ... this article maybe sums up the dichotomy of privacy & security.

Who authorized what was done?  What is the purpose? Did you vote for it? Can you find out or is it all secret? It all depends upon who does what with the information ... see the top of the item in blue. Is it statutory or is it some bureaucrat who wants more control or spend the money for his crony purposes? Trace the money & find out the politics.   Quite a few people got upset over Snowden's disclosing classified information about the NSA spy-job. Can/does the NSA have & collect the information from these portals?

My sadness is that in the name of security we are beginning to resemble a police state in the name of security.... ever since 9/11/2001 ... Fear of being sick, blown up, broke & perhaps hungry with lack of jobs seems to drive all kinds things in the name of security.  Even fear of the Earth being harmed by humans is causing the UN to ponder a global tax on carbon - an element of which we, ourselves are made of and exhale.


Seth says
See also Wikipedia on the Akashic Records or a hint of it in the movie Epic

Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 08:07:18 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:46:14 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:43:03 16876
Well i would not trade my right to a private space for anything whatsoever. 
I guess I am more open than you are! With spy equipment (google glass, iphones, Internet et al.) there may not even be any space private anyway.


the think about a smart phone is that the applications you put on it are put there volentarialy.  for example, i always let my applications have access to my GPS location ... but that is just me, i like the convience of the geo location stamped on my photos or a map as to where i have been.  but if i wanted to rob a bank or murder sombody, i would leave my smart phone at home.   thing is this new tech is a double sided sword ... on the one hand it enhances my right to be public ... on the other it threatens my privacy.   but as long as it leaves those choice to me, i like it.
That you have a cell phone means that your cell phone location is not private due to hardware. It is not an app thingy except for apps that use that for advertizing etc. (facebook, twitter maybe)


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 08:30:47 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:16:14 16876
Well, Seth you seem to exist in your own private world with your interpretation of words & realities; assertions of privacy notwithstanding.  Maybe giving that up from your ontology might yield what you so desperately seek? maybe not because there is no desperation & there is no seeking in your ontology, eh?


huh?   I have no idea what you are talking about here.   My usage of the words "private" and "public" are indeed quite customary and i find it strange indeed that you would think it is only "my interpertation of words".
I predicted or suspected that the HUH-demon would eat you.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 07:52:48 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:46:14 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:43:03 16876
Well i would not trade my right to a private space for anything whatsoever. 
I guess I am more open than you are! With spy equipment (google glass, iphones, Internet et al.) there may not even be any space private anyway.


google glassess are just a camera ... and light does not travel through the solid walls that construct a private space.  snooping into private spaces with extraudanary technology is invasion of privacy, pure and simple .... but that has nothing to do with google glasses.  google glassess is just a more convenient camera. 
If your head is in the sand is your ass open to public viewing?


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 07:56:57 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:35:18 16876
See also Wikipedia on the Akashic Records or a hint of it in the movie Epic

what does the akashic records have to do with this item?
Did you read the article or know what the Akasha is?  Basically there is nothing secret.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 08:10:22 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:00:19 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:56:57 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:35:18 16876
See also Wikipedia on the Akashic Records or a hint of it in the movie Epic

what does the akashic records have to do with this item?
Did you read the article or know what the Akasha is?  Basically there is nothing secret.


ok so the movie was about a world with no private space ... not a world i would choose ... and a not, i think, a world that we are evolving into.  in our world, out private spaces are evolving along with our public ones. 
Actually the movie is NOT about a world with no private space. There is just one cartoon sequence which mimics the Akashick .


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 08:27:38 16876
there is no doubt that "public vs private" is a polarity ... the more the one the less the other.   me, i love to totally accept this polarity ... and i will not side with one against the other.   but, FYI, for myself i would like more of the public and less of the private ... but that is just the personal thrust of my own life and my own personal daemon and fight.  i am fairly sure that others are going in other directions ... that is, ... er maybe ..., why we are different people .
c.f. the HUH-daemon.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 08:49:59 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:35:48 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:27:38 16876
there is no doubt that "public vs private" is a polarity ... the more the one the less the other.   me, i love to totally accept this polarity ... and i will not side with one against the other.   but, FYI, for myself i would like more of the public and less of the private ... but that is just the personal thrust of my own life and my own personal daemon and fight.  i am fairly sure that others are going in other directions ... that is, ... er maybe ..., why we are different people .
c.f. the HUH-daemon.


huh?   What is the "HUH-daemon" that you refer to and what does it have to do with what i said above?
It just ate another chunk of you -gofigure!

Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 09:31:43 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:53:07 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:49:59 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:35:48 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:27:38 16876
there is no doubt that "public vs private" is a polarity ... the more the one the less the other.   me, i love to totally accept this polarity ... and i will not side with one against the other.   but, FYI, for myself i would like more of the public and less of the private ... but that is just the personal thrust of my own life and my own personal daemon and fight.  i am fairly sure that others are going in other directions ... that is, ... er maybe ..., why we are different people .
c.f. the HUH-daemon.


huh?   What is the "HUH-daemon" that you refer to and what does it have to do with what i said above?
It just ate another chunk of you -gofigure!
.   really i have no idea what you are talking about here.  
Yep

Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 08:43:32 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:31:09 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:07:18 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:46:14 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:43:03 16876
Well i would not trade my right to a private space for anything whatsoever. 
I guess I am more open than you are! With spy equipment (google glass, iphones, Internet et al.) there may not even be any space private anyway.


the think about a smart phone is that the applications you put on it are put there volentarialy.  for example, i always let my applications have access to my GPS location ... but that is just me, i like the convience of the geo location stamped on my photos or a map as to where i have been.  but if i wanted to rob a bank or murder sombody, i would leave my smart phone at home.   thing is this new tech is a double sided sword ... on the one hand it enhances my right to be public ... on the other it threatens my privacy.   but as long as it leaves those choice to me, i like it.
That you have a cell phone means that your cell phone location is not private due to hardware. It is not an app thingy except for apps that use that for advertizing etc. (facebook, twitter maybe)


yep it is well known that there are ways to track the phone itself, exclusive of the app choices.   still in all it is my choice to have it on my person or not.   the devise enhances my ability to be public at the expense of a choice to be private.  that is being acknowledged here.
.. & even without a cell phone if your movements are tracked whenever you arrive & depart your house & your meetings & acquaintances are tracked etc. The only time you are private (maybe) is when you take a shit at home. If these tools were in the hands of a Bush-Cheney administration as developed as they are now would you feel the same. That is, if you agree with the governing party & ruling class thereof does your trust agree & when not disagree.  If you were to do things political would worry? Why do you think the glass is tinted on the limousines arriving & departing the White House?


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 09:26:36 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:52:01 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:43:32 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:31:09 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:07:18 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:46:14 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:43:03 16876
Well i would not trade my right to a private space for anything whatsoever. 
I guess I am more open than you are! With spy equipment (google glass, iphones, Internet et al.) there may not even be any space private anyway.


the think about a smart phone is that the applications you put on it are put there volentarialy.  for example, i always let my applications have access to my GPS location ... but that is just me, i like the convience of the geo location stamped on my photos or a map as to where i have been.  but if i wanted to rob a bank or murder sombody, i would leave my smart phone at home.   thing is this new tech is a double sided sword ... on the one hand it enhances my right to be public ... on the other it threatens my privacy.   but as long as it leaves those choice to me, i like it.
That you have a cell phone means that your cell phone location is not private due to hardware. It is not an app thingy except for apps that use that for advertizing etc. (facebook, twitter maybe)


yep it is well known that there are ways to track the phone itself, exclusive of the app choices.   still in all it is my choice to have it on my person or not.   the devise enhances my ability to be public at the expense of a choice to be private.  that is being acknowledged here.
.. & even without a cell phone if your movements are tracked whenever you arrive & depart your house & your meetings & acquaintances are tracked etc. The only time you are private (maybe) is when you take a shit at home. If these tools were in the hands of a Bush-Cheney administration as developed as they are now would you feel the same. That is, if you agree with the governing party & ruling class thereof does your trust agree & when not disagree.  If you were to do things political would worry? Why do you think the glass is tinted on the limousines arriving & departing the White House?


well i really do separate my public/private changes from what our government is doing.   to me, the government is quite "over-there" and does not intrude enough in my life to even get close to competing with my own personal agenda to interact in public or to keep my secret lives.

but as to the government, i think we are in agreement, it should be transparent as to its own actions, and it should not intrude on our private spaces. 
so far so good - maybe my paranoia is unfounded but the steps that led up to the Nazis,  Maoists, Stalinists, Hussein,  etc. seemed to begin with knowing who in the population opposed what the regimes were doing & eventually eliminating the opposition so that one party ruled.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 09:51:32 16876
ME 2013-11-05 09:35:17 16876
seth 2013-11-05 09:26:36 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:52:01 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:43:32 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:31:09 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:07:18 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:46:14 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:43:03 16876
Well i would not trade my right to a private space for anything whatsoever. 
I guess I am more open than you are! With spy equipment (google glass, iphones, Internet et al.) there may not even be any space private anyway.


the think about a smart phone is that the applications you put on it are put there volentarialy.  for example, i always let my applications have access to my GPS location ... but that is just me, i like the convience of the geo location stamped on my photos or a map as to where i have been.  but if i wanted to rob a bank or murder sombody, i would leave my smart phone at home.   thing is this new tech is a double sided sword ... on the one hand it enhances my right to be public ... on the other it threatens my privacy.   but as long as it leaves those choice to me, i like it.
That you have a cell phone means that your cell phone location is not private due to hardware. It is not an app thingy except for apps that use that for advertizing etc. (facebook, twitter maybe)


yep it is well known that there are ways to track the phone itself, exclusive of the app choices.   still in all it is my choice to have it on my person or not.   the devise enhances my ability to be public at the expense of a choice to be private.  that is being acknowledged here.
.. & even without a cell phone if your movements are tracked whenever you arrive & depart your house & your meetings & acquaintances are tracked etc. The only time you are private (maybe) is when you take a shit at home. If these tools were in the hands of a Bush-Cheney administration as developed as they are now would you feel the same. That is, if you agree with the governing party & ruling class thereof does your trust agree & when not disagree.  If you were to do things political would worry? Why do you think the glass is tinted on the limousines arriving & departing the White House?


well i really do separate my public/private changes from what our government is doing.   to me, the government is quite "over-there" and does not intrude enough in my life to even get close to competing with my own personal agenda to interact in public or to keep my secret lives.

but as to the government, i think we are in agreement, it should be transparent as to its own actions, and it should not intrude on our private spaces. 
so far so good - maybe my paranoia is unfounded but the steps that led up to the Nazis,  Maoists, Stalinists, Hussein,  etc. seemed to begin with knowing who in the population opposed what the regimes were doing & eventually eliminating the opposition so that one party ruled.


well your, perhaps unfounded, "paranoia" is perhaps your personal daemon ... to me, it is quite otherness.   of course we need to be vigilant and not let that kind of totalarian world emerge ... there are lots and lots of americans who agree with us there.   but me, i'm more worried (paranoic) of it happening by default from another direction ... not by the so called "government" ... but by commercial media domination of our psychology.  but then, you won't look at that ... why? ... well as far as i can tell, that is not one of the conservitive talking points ... rather it comes from what you would think of as the other side ... you know, the one in your mind that you have tagged evil.
Nope! I covered that here in 16846 and other places. I am independent which label I have represented along with Libertarian in philosophy, dude. I carry no water for any particular party.   Fuck Democrats. Fuck Republicans. etc. maybe go see 16746.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 10:36:08 16876
ME 2013-11-05 10:05:57 16876
seth 2013-11-05 09:51:32 16876
ME 2013-11-05 09:35:17 16876
seth 2013-11-05 09:26:36 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:52:01 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:43:32 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:31:09 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:07:18 16876
ME 2013-11-05 07:46:14 16876
seth 2013-11-05 07:43:03 16876
Well i would not trade my right to a private space for anything whatsoever. 
I guess I am more open than you are! With spy equipment (google glass, iphones, Internet et al.) there may not even be any space private anyway.


the think about a smart phone is that the applications you put on it are put there volentarialy.  for example, i always let my applications have access to my GPS location ... but that is just me, i like the convience of the geo location stamped on my photos or a map as to where i have been.  but if i wanted to rob a bank or murder sombody, i would leave my smart phone at home.   thing is this new tech is a double sided sword ... on the one hand it enhances my right to be public ... on the other it threatens my privacy.   but as long as it leaves those choice to me, i like it.
That you have a cell phone means that your cell phone location is not private due to hardware. It is not an app thingy except for apps that use that for advertizing etc. (facebook, twitter maybe)


yep it is well known that there are ways to track the phone itself, exclusive of the app choices.   still in all it is my choice to have it on my person or not.   the devise enhances my ability to be public at the expense of a choice to be private.  that is being acknowledged here.
.. & even without a cell phone if your movements are tracked whenever you arrive & depart your house & your meetings & acquaintances are tracked etc. The only time you are private (maybe) is when you take a shit at home. If these tools were in the hands of a Bush-Cheney administration as developed as they are now would you feel the same. That is, if you agree with the governing party & ruling class thereof does your trust agree & when not disagree.  If you were to do things political would worry? Why do you think the glass is tinted on the limousines arriving & departing the White House?


well i really do separate my public/private changes from what our government is doing.   to me, the government is quite "over-there" and does not intrude enough in my life to even get close to competing with my own personal agenda to interact in public or to keep my secret lives.

but as to the government, i think we are in agreement, it should be transparent as to its own actions, and it should not intrude on our private spaces. 
so far so good - maybe my paranoia is unfounded but the steps that led up to the Nazis,  Maoists, Stalinists, Hussein,  etc. seemed to begin with knowing who in the population opposed what the regimes were doing & eventually eliminating the opposition so that one party ruled.


well your, perhaps unfounded, "paranoia" is perhaps your personal daemon ... to me, it is quite otherness.   of course we need to be vigilant and not let that kind of totalarian world emerge ... there are lots and lots of americans who agree with us there.   but me, i'm more worried (paranoic) of it happening by default from another direction ... not by the so called "government" ... but by commercial media domination of our psychology.  but then, you won't look at that ... why? ... well as far as i can tell, that is not one of the conservitive talking points ... rather it comes from what you would think of as the other side ... you know, the one in your mind that you have tagged evil.
Nope! I covered that here in 16846 and other places. I am independent which label I have represented along with Libertarian in philosophy, dude. I carry no water for any particular party.   Fuck Democrats. Fuck Republicans. etc. maybe go see 16746.


Well then i don't understand why you are not just as very afraid of the commercial-media-domination of our psychology as you are afraid of the a government which would dominate it.  But you always fight the latter and po-po the former ... er, so do the rest of the conservatives.
The government has bigger guns, IRS, NSA, DHS & is the larger entity in the crony-capitalistic entity of govering.  Look at how the government is fucking up the insurance & health care industries.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 09:43:07 16876
ME 2013-11-05 09:36:31 16876
seth 2013-11-05 09:31:43 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:53:07 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:49:59 16876
ME 2013-11-05 08:35:48 16876
seth 2013-11-05 08:27:38 16876
there is no doubt that "public vs private" is a polarity ... the more the one the less the other.   me, i love to totally accept this polarity ... and i will not side with one against the other.   but, FYI, for myself i would like more of the public and less of the private ... but that is just the personal thrust of my own life and my own personal daemon and fight.  i am fairly sure that others are going in other directions ... that is, ... er maybe ..., why we are different people .
c.f. the HUH-daemon.


huh?   What is the "HUH-daemon" that you refer to and what does it have to do with what i said above?
It just ate another chunk of you -gofigure!
.   really i have no idea what you are talking about here.  
Yep

watever, this to me is just irritating magor being mystical ... have fun with your "" at my expense ... but i would have preferred more honest communication.
Then try some instead of your knee-jerk hun? when you don't want to think about something, dude!

Seth says
i.e a mirror is a reflection not necessarily a negative of your positive.
On another front on SPYING
Infowars: ...

You give the government information and it will be abused. It is not a matter of if it’ll be abused, it’s only a matter of when…

When the line between the personal self and the public self… when that line is determined by the government that keeps your information in a trove for release any time they need it, how are you free?

..the bottom line is, having worked inside the government, it will be abused. It is only a matter of time.

If you’re not doing something wrong? The question is only whether your private wrongs that have no effect on anyone else become exposed for the government’s benefit.

…It’s only a matter of time before someone slaps an email on your desk from fifteen years ago… and says ‘look what we got against you.’

Remember, when the key is held by someone else liberty means absolutely nothing. That personal and private self are being evaporated.

...


Seth says
seth 2013-11-05 22:22:11 16876
well yes, bi-polar in a special case of multi-polar and could be generalized into just a vector sum of many influences.    frequently we reduce or analyze a complex situation into binary ... good/evil etc. .... but, yes, that reduction does not need to imply that only two forces impinge.  it is so even that the true/false polarity of logic is a reduction ... it could, just as well be true/false/surprise.
good, catch

 i suppose one could even say that to be inversely related does not always mean just more/less or increase/decrease ... perhaps there are other inverse changes too that could not be represented by those linguistic terms ... but i haven't conceived of any examples, have you?  even the rwg, or any other zero sum game, means the more i win the less you do. 
I don't think the rwg is a zero sum game.  It is a protecting your ego kind of thing. Inversely related & inversely proportional imply quantity & measurement which imply increase/decrease, otherwise what is there to describe such. Vector sum implies the same so you have already biased the field to +/- stuff. The tao is more like a dynamic mirror of many dimensions in motion but maybe balanced as a whole. Properties, qualities & character can be assigned to any dimension abstractly corresponding linguistically  to a 3 dimensional (or n-dimensional) real world; binary belonging to computers.


Seth says
FYI - Russian spying http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/world/europe/a-russian-gps-using-us-soil-stirs-spy-fears.html?ref=centralintelligenceagency&_r=0
source: ...

In recent months, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Pentagon have been quietly waging a campaign to stop the State Department from allowing Roscosmos, the Russian space agency, to build about half a dozen of these structures, known as monitor stations, on United States soil, several American officials said.

They fear that these structures could help Russia spy on the United States and improve the precision of Russian weaponry, the officials said. These monitor stations, the Russians contend, would significantly improve the accuracy and reliability of Moscow’s version of the Global Positioning System, the American satellite network that steers guided missiles to their targets and thirsty smartphone users to the nearest Starbucks.

...


Seth says
Hmmm.... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/us/politics/obamas-portable-zone-of-secrecy-some-assembly-required.html?_r=0
***
WASHINGTON — When President Obama travels abroad, his staff packs briefing books, gifts for foreign leaders and something more closely associated with camping than diplomacy: a tent.
Doug Mills/The New York Times

President Obama stowed his BlackBerry, which is specially encrypted, while stepping off Marine One on Friday.

Even when Mr. Obama travels to allied nations, aides quickly set up the security tent — which has opaque sides and noise-making devices inside — in a room near his hotel suite. When the president needs to read a classified document or have a sensitive conversation, he ducks into the tent to shield himself from secret video cameras and listening devices.



Seth says
seth 2013-11-12 10:06:24 16876
ME 2013-11-12 08:43:50 16876
Shades of my favorite series on TV : Person of Interest
Infowars: ... Strange new off-white boxes popping up in downtown Seattle use wi-fi networks that can record the last 1,000 locations of a person using their cellphone’s MAC address, but the Department of Homeland Security �" which funded the network to the tune of $2.7 million dollars �" has refused to address the nightmare privacy implications of a system that could lead to the permanent tracking of an entire city’s population.
...News video available in the above link
So it has come
to this?



Thing is this may or may not be what is being implied here.  My first instinct is that it is not.  It might rather be just boxes installed by a company who is trying to supply WiFi to Seattle ... a much needed service indeed.
& then it may be exactly what it looks like .... can you as a presumable fair witness find out exactly what they are used for & what is in the contract that payed for the things?
Where did the info come from about the last 1000 places etc.  Is that true or not?


Seth says
ME 2013-11-12 10:14:18 16876
seth 2013-11-12 10:06:24 16876
ME 2013-11-12 08:43:50 16876
Shades of my favorite series on TV : Person of Interest
Infowars: ... Strange new off-white boxes popping up in downtown Seattle use wi-fi networks that can record the last 1,000 locations of a person using their cellphone’s MAC address, but the Department of Homeland Security �" which funded the network to the tune of $2.7 million dollars �" has refused to address the nightmare privacy implications of a system that could lead to the permanent tracking of an entire city’s population.
...News video available in the above link
So it has come
to this?



Thing is this may or may not be what is being implied here.  My first instinct is that it is not.  It might rather be just boxes installed by a company who is trying to supply WiFi to Seattle ... a much needed service indeed.
& then it may be exactly what it looks like .... can you as a presumable fair witness find out exactly what they are used for & what is in the contract that payed for the things?
Where did the info come from about the last 1000 places etc.  Is that true or not?


Well i can take a look at these.  But most of the information is almost certainly already on the net and even you should be able to find and post it.  That would help with my research.

Seth says
seth 2013-11-12 11:36:46 16876
ME 2013-11-12 10:14:18 16876
seth 2013-11-12 10:06:24 16876
ME 2013-11-12 08:43:50 16876
Shades of my favorite series on TV : Person of Interest
Infowars: ... Strange new off-white boxes popping up in downtown Seattle use wi-fi networks that can record the last 1,000 locations of a person using their cellphone’s MAC address, but the Department of Homeland Security �" which funded the network to the tune of $2.7 million dollars �" has refused to address the nightmare privacy implications of a system that could lead to the permanent tracking of an entire city’s population.
...News video available in the above link
So it has come
to this?



Thing is this may or may not be what is being implied here.  My first instinct is that it is not.  It might rather be just boxes installed by a company who is trying to supply WiFi to Seattle ... a much needed service indeed.
& then it may be exactly what it looks like .... can you as a presumable fair witness find out exactly what they are used for & what is in the contract that payed for the things?
Where did the info come from about the last 1000 places etc.  Is that true or not?


Well i can take a look at these.  But most of the information is almost certainly already on the net and even you should be able to find and post it.  That would help with my research.
You are closer to it than I am.  If the net were sufficient we probably would not need fair witnesses. Most of the net is not about witnesses.


Seth says
The technology of Lie to Me may also be applied or misapplied later on to the captured images - if any. But, just for emphais read my item introduction.

Tattoos anyone? Convenience & fad are almost as good as an embedded tracker & ID.  My dog has one for my convenience & was required by the Humane Society where I got her.


Seth says
seth 2013-11-12 11:55:21 16876
yep i will look into it here in Seattle.  The net is just as very close to you as it is to me.  That is where i will be starting my research in any case.
Well, Seth, I accept Infowars as a valid enough source on the Internet, eh?


Seth says
ME 2013-11-12 12:09:45 16876
seth 2013-11-12 11:55:21 16876
yep i will look into it here in Seattle.  The net is just as very close to you as it is to me.  That is where i will be starting my research in any case.
Well, Seth, I accept Infowars as a valid enough source on the Internet, eh?

no i do not accept a site like Infowars which traffics in these kind of scary stories as a valid enough single source.   In fact if it is the only source found, then i would suspect the story even more.

Incidentally getting locations and pictures, even a close up showing the markings, is perhaps the easy part of the research.   Determining who placed them there and their function is the hard part.   Projects as large as the InfoWars story implies will, me thinks, leave quite a vivid trail on the Internet quite apart from any hype.

Seth says
More from the update: http://www.infowars.com/exclusive-snowden-level-documents-reveal-stealth-dhs-spy-grid/
A lot of the information I asked for is in this:


Seth says
McClatchy: ...

— U.S. agencies collected and shared the personal information of thousands of Americans in an attempt to root out untrustworthy federal workers that ended up scrutinizing people who had no direct ties to the U.S. government and simply had purchased certain books.

Federal officials gathered the information from the customer records of two men who were under criminal investigation for purportedly teaching people how to pass lie detector tests. The officials then distributed a list of 4,904 people – along with many of their Social Security numbers, addresses and professions – to nearly 30 federal agencies, including the Internal Revenue Service, the CIA, the National Security Agency and the Food and Drug Administration.


Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/11/14/208438/americans-personal-data-shared.html#storylink=cpy
... My question is does the NSA keep records on all the ruling class government employees, white house visitors & contractors starting at the top with the SCOTUS, FLOTUS, POTUS & all the appointees of POTUS?
Will they be scrubbed after POTUS leaves?


Seth says
FYI - update on Seattle: http://rt.com/usa/seattle-mesh-network-disabled-676/


Seth says
seth 2013-11-15 07:15:24 16876
ME 2013-11-15 00:31:53 16876

It's interesting to note that a free WiFi network would have the same capabilities to track people.  It would be nice to have free WiFi wherever i go in downtown Seattle ... i would use such a system myself ... and i would not care i was visible to law enforcement.  i rather expect that will actually happen relatively soon in Seattle.  Free WiFi everywhere would be even better.
I doubt it. My WiFi doesn't store my data it just passes it through & as far as I know doesn't shunt it through the NSA. What's you source for any comparison?


Seth says
Wikipedia: ... Anonymity is derived from the Greek word ἀνωνυμία, anonymia, meaning "without a name" or "namelessness". In colloquial use, anonymity typically refer to the state of an individual's personal identity, or personally identifiable information, being publicly unknown.
... i.e. 4th amendment stuff.

I declare a right to anonmity is subsumed within the 4th amendment.
My right to privacy is just as valid as your right to seek fame!

Seth says
mo' of the same -
Infowars: ...

Sheriffs in Richland County, South Carolina are currently defending the use of a controversial investigation method that grants them access to thousands of cell phone user’s data.

The technique, known as a “Tower Dump,” allows law enforcement to request all call, text and data transmissions from any specific time period from a cell tower’s provider. Search warrants obtained by WLTX News uncovered Richland County Sheriffs use of the technique during several cases including a 2011 vehicle break-in outside a sheriff’s home.

Although police must obtain and present a search warrant to cell providers in order to access the data, the amount of information gathered, especially on those not suspected of a crime, presents a clear constitutional violation.

... who gives a shit, eh?



Seth says
seth 2013-11-29 12:21:55 16876
ME 2013-11-29 11:01:07 16876
mo' of the same -
Infowars: ...

Sheriffs in Richland County, South Carolina are currently defending the use of a controversial investigation method that grants them access to thousands of cell phone user’s data.

The technique, known as a “Tower Dump,” allows law enforcement to request all call, text and data transmissions from any specific time period from a cell tower’s provider. Search warrants obtained by WLTX News uncovered Richland County Sheriffs use of the technique during several cases including a 2011 vehicle break-in outside a sheriff’s home.

Although police must obtain and present a search warrant to cell providers in order to access the data, the amount of information gathered, especially on those not suspected of a crime, presents a clear constitutional violation.

... who gives a shit, eh?



Well i see no "clear constitutional violation".   Perhaps there is one, me  i don't know ... i will await a Spureme court ruling to believe that one way or the other.  But in any case i think Infowar's assertion of that being "clear" is a overreach and just their partisan opinion. 

This is an entirely different world than the one when the US Constitution was agreed upon ... and especially so when it comes to what can be seen and heard by whom and what.  I think we need new legislation or rulings which reflect today' reality as just what and where and who can rely on a constitutional expectation of privacy. 
Like I said "Who gives a shit?" - obviously you don't. My arguments are already here.


Seth says
Politico: ... “Justice [Elena] Kagan a couple weeks ago was talking about how the Supreme Court struggles to use email, which is kind of funny but kind of scary at the same time,” Fakhoury said. “We had a case involving a guy charged with cyberstalking on Twitter, and we had to explain to the judge in his 60s what Twitter was.”
... the courts are having difficulty catching up to the digital world. This is a good overview of the law & privacy & the courts.


Seth says
.. & finally there is a judge that thinks it may be unconstitutional for the NSA to spy on everyone without warrants:

source: ...

A federal judge ruled Monday that the National Security Agency program which collects information on nearly all telephone calls made to, from or within the United States is likely unconstitutional.

U.S. District Court Judge Richard Leon found that the program appears to violate the Fourth Amendment ban on unreasonable searches and seizures. He also said the Justice Department had failed to demonstrate that collecting the information had helped to head off terrorist attacks.

Acting on a lawsuit brought by conservative legal activist Larry Klayman, Leon issued a preliminary injunction barring the NSA from collecting so-called metadata pertaining to the Verizon accounts of Klayman and one of his clients. However, the judge stayed the order to allow for an appeal.

...

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