The Leviathan (Chapter 2)

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Seth says
seth 2013-12-06 15:16:02 16942

well yes, there are two different things here ... accessible .... and .... shareable.  let us leave for for a moment the topic of accessibility.   

so we are just talking about whether the spiritual world is shareable ... like the "one World & one universe [of] fact".   i am claiming that my subjective mental feelings, imaginations, interpretations, intuitions etc,  are only shareable by you through our communications and habits in the world of fact.  my spiritual world is exactly the same.  that is all i am saying. 

In a way i am just totally agreeing with your assumptions in what you said above ...
"There is question as to whether there is a universe of mind outside of yourself that is shared. Collapse as much as you like to serve your own story, but please observe that you are doing nothing more noble or scientific than metaphysicians & Anthroposophists who claim there is a Spiritual world."
... in other words, in my mind there is no grand distinction (or chasm) between my Spiritual World and what i talk to you about my subjective mind of imagination and intuition, calculation and analysis.  You don't have access to mine and i don't have access to yours.  Of course the more we communicate through the world of fact that we can share ... the more we practice the same habits and ceremonies ... the more we synchronize our feelings ... the more of those subjective mental worlds we actually do share. 

the closer i listen to what is being said the more  agreement i am hearing here.   The only disagreement might be that you seem to believe there is a The Spiritual World that can be shared if people will only learn how to do it ... whereas i believe there are only subjective mental worlds that people could learn how to share through the one universe of facts.  almost the same thing if you think about it.  for me there is no chasm between my mind and a spiritual world ... they are the same thing ... there is no special access ... just more and more awareness.  the only chasm is between my mind and the world of fact.  to  breach that chasm i would need to crawl out my eyes and ears and grock without the reflection of sign.  

hmmm ... i'm wondering ... does this want to be said here?

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