LOA? & Wishful Thinking
About: abraham-hicks, esther hicks - the skeptic's dictionary - skepdic.com
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There must be a rational, logical & clear waking consciousness way of testing such phenomena if they really exist. Even religion needs examination. This is not to say that all science is without the same criticism - especially when it gets mixed with politics & money. Even the mainstream media (M$M) is suspect. Economics is also influenced by a large amount of unconsciousness.

during these moments (or these days)
- M.R.

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- law of attraction
- loa
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it's interesting to note that the same kind of language can be used to describe RS's spiritual world as well a PR's and TR's. that is a common characteristic of all worlds that are not shasperiential ... in this case substitute here the word "verifiable" if you have troubles with my one.



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hmmm ... apply in what manner??
i could find no objective facts reported there ... it read to me like mythology ... or, er dogma. what did you get from it that could affect your experience today?



yep, everybody says that, even me ... i think we are in violent agreement there

hmmm ... apply in what manner??
i could find no objective facts reported there ... it read to me like mythology ... or, er dogma. what did you get from it that could affect your experience today?

yes i got that

Talking about these things esoterically amongst a group of strongly interacting people, in private as it were ... as opposed to talking about them publicly, er "exoterically", ... is what makes all the difference here .... and that was the subject of RS's paragraph from which you quoted.

The following lectures were given by Rudolf Steiner to audiences familiar with the general background of his anthroposophical teachings. He constantly emphasised the distinction between his written works and reports of lectures which were given as oral communications and were not originally intended for print. It should be remembered that certain premises were taken for granted when the words were spoken. “These premises”, Rudolf Steiner writes in his autobiography, “include at the very least the anthroposophical knowledge of Man and of the Cosmos in its spiritual essence; also of what may be called ‘anthroposophical history’, told as an outcome of research into the spiritual world.”


hmmm ... apply in what manner??
i could find no objective facts reported there ... it read to me like mythology ... or, er dogma. what did you get from it that could affect your experience today?

yes i got that

Talking about these things esoterically amongst a group of strongly interacting people, in private as it were ... as opposed to talking about them publicly, er "exoterically", ... is what makes all the difference here .... and that was the subject of RS's paragraph from which you quoted.

i am taking the whole paragraph in context of the entire lecture. i think a clear headed reading of it will yield the aspect of it i highlighted ... though perhaps not a bug-a-boo as seen through tinted glasses ... it makes a difference who you are talking to ... esoteric, or exoteric ... i'm just so very glad that RS said it and not me


OK – no answer here – am moving along. Response sounds negative & upstream hunting suggested.




























To us the conception of Christ as the Healer is no longer living. But we must find our way to it again, for only when we can feel His presence once more as the Cosmic Physician, shall we also realise His true place in the Universe.



Via Peter Ralston on Pursuing Consciousness:
13: 2 Considering what we’ve discussed so far regarding belief and the Absolute, it should be apparent that no religion is expressing the Truth, or is even true. This statement may rankle some readers, even when it’s acknowledged that a fundamental principle common to virtually every religion is a call for faith. In fact “faith” is often used as another term for “religion.” And why is faith needed? Because the foundation of most religions is not Truth, but belief. This dynamic isn’t limited to formal religions; it occurs in all organized spiritual belief systems.
Ralston, Peter (2015-03-10). Pursuing Consciousness: The Book of Enlightenment and Transformation (Kindle Locations 4207-4211). North Atlantic Books. Kindle Edition.
13: 3 By definition, a belief is not a direct-experience or a consciousness of what’s true. It is an idea that something is true. Granted, it might be a genuinely heartfelt idea, and have a hopeful and altruistic basis; it may even point knowingly in the direction of the “Unknowable,” but a religion is still essentially a series of rites and customs organized around some claim or conclusion usually purported to be the “one truth.”
13: 4 In reality, the Truth remains unknown for almost everyone. Grasping that fact is merely to acknowledge what’s already so; holding onto it and abiding in a state of not-knowing is a useful starting point for any venture, be it spiritual, scientific, artistic, or otherwise. But religion in general holds that your capacity to become directly-conscious for yourself is invalid— not your beliefs, mind you, but your capability, and even your responsibility. It demands that you refrain from questioning and investigating, and be content to simply believe what you are told. Within the confines of religious dogma, when someone entertains doubts, it is not equated with “a state that precedes all insight” but is instead called something like a “crisis of faith.” To the detriment of consciousness work, religion obliges followers to turn away from the universal fact of humanity’s inherent ignorance regarding existence.God has no religion. —Mahatma Gandhi
Ralston, Peter (2015-03-10). Pursuing Consciousness: The Book of Enlightenment and Transformation (Kindle Locations 4212-4224). North Atlantic Books. Kindle Edition.
P.S. I like Peter because he says try it out, do it yourself don’t believe me or some religion etc. (So does RS & GW)



What causes the state of “out of alignment?” . In a positive only universe, (non-Tao) there should be no negatives or their representations. What gives?Where do negative thoughts come from?










search is great …
knowing where to look divine.






language is not just about you.
language is about what you understand from others.
and what they understand from you.
if you look at it only from the point of view of what works best for you, then you will probably not get why language itself is so amazing for us.
tagging is actually constructing language.
maybe that is just a Bozo





I choose to test & try … to some extent Esther Hicks discourages that so that people do not have to notice their bank accounts are not increasing. OTOH, GW in his Silence gives a similar approach without the discouragement.







language is not just about you.
language is about what you understand from others.
and what they understand from you.
if you look at it only from the point of view of what works best for you, then you will probably not get why lnaguage itself is so amazing for us.
tagging is actually constructing language.
maybe that is just a Bozo

incidentally i like the word “peculiar” here rather than the word “particular” … logically they mean the same thing … but “peculiar” implies that it is strange to somebody else … and that is the way it feels when i encounter an ontlogy in another person that is very different than my own. For example, yours

but our internal language and ontology is one thing … communicating between each other even with the differences is quite another.
if it is all just you, of course, you will not grock that being the perdicament which prevalils.


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