Within the Walled Garden - Escape Maybe ?

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source: ... Natural language is a walled garden so one has to go outside language to grok meaning or penetrate the ontology of it all.
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Mark de LA says
Once you digest my sentence you may have to acknowledge that there is something which language is clothing which is outside the boundaries of language perhaps a different form of consciousness.


Seth says
MeE 2013-12-26 13:41:38 16990
seth 2013-12-26 12:51:44 16990
MeE 2013-12-26 10:20:46 16990
Once you digest my sentence you may have to acknowledge that there is something which language is clothing which is outside the boundaries of language "perhaps a different form of consciousness".


Well the bolded part of your sentence we have acknowledged between each other many many times ... and also in many place in our culture that is common knowledge.  We apprehend something then cloak it in language then throw the words over a wall to somebody else ... but that does not throw the apprehension itself over the wall.  And even when we get good at it and some of the apprehension starts happening over some wall, the apprehension is still tainted and restrained by being collapsed into words of a language, and does not get communicated in its pristine form ... or at least that is the way i see it.

the "quoted part" of your sentence is the interesting part for me ... but i need more elaboration to grock that apprehension in the pristine form you must have it.

Well, the most obvious is there is language & something else not language. Whatever that is can't be put in language. When I sit in 80% silence or stillness not clothing anything in languiage a lot of shit still remains & goes bye.  Occasionally it is of a more refined nature than just memories or rationalizations or argumentation for Seth, or anything recognizable except that there is something there.  That stuff is what I am talking about.


yes, definitely .

... In our Venn Map of experience this is the picture of what you said.  Note the tail of the arrow (which represents the apprehension in language) is  over a different place in the field of conscious experiences than the head.  In this picture, apparently the person on the left feels they have just thought of something true because there is the yellow truthie thingey mapped there.

Mark de LA says
seth 2013-12-26 12:51:44 16990
MeE 2013-12-26 10:20:46 16990
Once you digest my sentence you may have to acknowledge that there is something which language is clothing which is outside the boundaries of language "perhaps a different form of consciousness".


Well the bolded part of your sentence we have acknowledged between each other many many times ... and also in many place in our culture that is common knowledge.  We apprehend something then cloak it in language then throw the words over a wall to somebody else ... but that does not throw the apprehension itself over the wall.  And even when we get good at it and some of the apprehension starts happening over some wall, the apprehension is still tainted and restrained by being collapsed into words of a language, and does not get communicated in its pristine form ... or at least that is the way i see it.

the "quoted part" of your sentence is the interesting part for me ... but i need more elaboration to grock that apprehension in the pristine form you must have it.

Well, the most obvious is there is language & something else not language. Whatever that is can't be put in language. When I sit in 80% silence or stillness not clothing anything in languiage a lot of shit still remains & goes bye.  Occasionally it is of a more refined nature than just memories or rationalizations or argumentation for Seth, or anything recognizable except that there is something there.  That stuff is what I am talking about.


Mark de LA says
meta-meta? or meta-meta-meta?

Seth says
MeE 2013-12-26 23:50:55 16990
meta-meta? or meta-meta-meta?

 sans meta would there be consciousness?

Mark de LA says
seth 2013-12-27 05:42:18 16990
MeE 2013-12-26 23:50:55 16990
meta-meta? or meta-meta-meta?

 sans meta would there be consciousness?
no relation.