# Principles & Ideals

- are not the same things
- an ideal implies essence & perfection principles make no particular judgement of the ideal
- both involve being
- principles & ideals use hosts to express themselves
- the human host expresses many beings
- at the core as human being "I" expresses
- collective human being expresses more than just one I
- collective human being expresses principles subscribed to by more than one I
- new thoughts & ideas, principles & being come from ?

### Comments

*Mark de LA says* I encountered this idea before on such programs as Through the Wormhole.

My answer is NOPE!

That would be like confusing

the equation of BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø

with the thingy itself which the equation describes. Maybe even the confusing the medium with the message or the message with what the message points at.

My answer is NOPE!

That would be like confusing

the equation of BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø

with the thingy itself which the equation describes. Maybe even the confusing the medium with the message or the message with what the message points at.

*Mark de LA says* seth 2014-01-10 13:46:08 17016

source: mark

That would be like confusing the equation of BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø

with the thingy itself which the equation describes.

That would be like confusing the equation of BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø

with the thingy itself which the equation describes.

... er ... what does "the equation" describe ... and what does it equate ?

Decode it - your other post on the Erhard thingy illustrates the equation perfectly.

*Mark de LA says* seth 2014-01-10 15:23:08 17016

there is not enough there for me to bind your symbols to anything real ... too much to guess ... especially since the way you started using it just sounded like a veiled insult. if it is more, and i suspect you think it is, then you will need to summon some courage, stick your neck out, and articulate it ... else it will just drop to the bottom of the bit bucket. perhaps you could maybe try writing the equation about yourself, or perhaps about the whole of Humanity. But, i can't for the life of me conceive how your equation, could be not just trivial, actually restrain the universe, and yet describe just me.

MeE 2014-01-10 14:13:53 17016

seth 2014-01-10 13:46:08 17016

source: mark

That would be like confusing the equation of BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø

with the thingy itself which the equation describes.

That would be like confusing the equation of BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø

with the thingy itself which the equation describes.

... er ... what does "the equation" describe ... and what does it equate ?

Decode it - your other post on the Erhard thingy illustrates the equation perfectly.

there is not enough there for me to bind your symbols to anything real ... too much to guess ... especially since the way you started using it just sounded like a veiled insult. if it is more, and i suspect you think it is, then you will need to summon some courage, stick your neck out, and articulate it ... else it will just drop to the bottom of the bit bucket. perhaps you could maybe try writing the equation about yourself, or perhaps about the whole of Humanity. But, i can't for the life of me conceive how your equation, could be not just trivial, actually restrain the universe, and yet describe just me.

NOPE! it is self-discovering.

*Mark de LA says* From the Zen perspective BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø is true - consider the 4 forms of nothing! ... But by the rule itself it cannot exist.