Truth, Beauty & Goodness - NOT JUST SLOGANS

About: lecture: truth, beauty and goodness

2629 - #38,1 83-3-2-9-12-9-Wed From the Tai Shu - past present & future

"KWUN, Keep, Moon of Water, Yesod of Chesed, Restriction of Pleasure, Kon P.1864 & (1543);  self-control is emphasized; ones own good nature shall make beneficial results without extra efforts; gloom & doom are but illusions appearing only when transitory is rated above the permanent; prediction does not mean intent & always implies an if; the present materializes the past, conversely the future spiritualizes the present; between dwells the bearer of freedom, liberty! Progress is always possible even if one is selfish, but then advancement becomes less & less comforting; we weep when we have to criticize! The knowledge of the Holy Grail was given to Parsifal only when he was ready to use it in the service of Humanity, not for his own personal advantage. Exercise of Practice makes Perfect is a lovely motto to keep in mind as we step beyond analogy to Reality. The steps trace a path & themselves leave a spoor.  For example, consider the working out of a formula or algorithm........"

The whole page supplied as context kwun (boxed in?) is here

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Tags

  1. truth
  2. beauty
  3. goodness
  4. past
  5. present
  6. future
  7. triads
  8. plastic habits

Comments


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-01-13 12:01:19 17023
its interesting to note the relationship of "the present materializes the past, conversely the future spiritualizes the present; between dwells the bearer of freedom, liberty" to an attitude of plastic habit.  the past does get materialized in habits and machines which run in the now ... yet i intend into the future ... that is my freedom ... that is my thrust ... that is what i do ... that is what I am.   if you want to call that "spiritualize" and link it with a "higher" truth beauty and goodness, i have no objection at all .
Well:
  • doesn't relate to plastic habits whatever they are
  • basically NOW is where freedom is
  • I have no objection to you having no objection
  • I mixed the Tai Shu with a very interesting RS lecture which showed up at the same time
  • understanding of the lecture helps understand the Tai Shu extract & visa-versa
  • whether you intend or not into the future you aim there unless you go seppuku
  • the future part aligns with Erhard as the future we are living into gives us the present

Seth says
MeE 2014-01-13 13:42:26 17023
seth 2014-01-13 12:56:50 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 12:27:27 17023
seth 2014-01-13 12:01:19 17023
its interesting to note the relationship of "the present materializes the past, conversely the future spiritualizes the present; between dwells the bearer of freedom, liberty" to an attitude of plastic habit.  the past does get materialized in habits and machines which run in the now ... yet i intend into the future ... that is my freedom ... that is my thrust ... that is what i do ... that is what I am.   if you want to call that "spiritualize" and link it with a "higher" truth beauty and goodness, i have no objection at all .
Well:
  • doesn't relate to plastic habits whatever they are
  • basically NOW is where freedom is
  • I have no objection to you having no objection
  • I mixed the Tai Shu with a very interesting RS lecture which showed up at the same time
  • understanding of the lecture helps understand the Tai Shu extract & visa-versa
  • whether you intend or not into the future you aim there unless you go seppuku
  • the future part aligns with Erhard as the future we are living into gives us the present

hmmm ...   What do you think "the present materializes the past" means? 

Can you not see that is talking about the very same process that "a machine operates only for a purpose fixed in the past" is talking about?  Can you not see how a habit is a machine from the past that is manifesting its purpose in the now  ... er materalizing it?  Just how do we get out of that pre-determined machine purpose ... er, that is our freedom ... that is how we intend into the future.  So we instead of abandoning or abhorring those machines and habits of the past ... rather we change them for the future ... that is a plastic habit ... and that is how it relates to your quote.

I didn't get a chance to read the RS lecture ... but could inform me how you related it to your bolded reddened quote from Tai Shu?
  • THIS is NOT about Machines it is about humans

hmmm .... and what faculty of humans is also a faculty of machines?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-01-13 14:23:08 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 14:13:16 17023
  • What description of BØZØ Ø is also a description of shit?
  • What faculty of a rhinoceros is a faculty of Seth?
  • meaningless questions do not further

can you deny that machines manifest purposes from the past ... and then can you deny that humans also manifest purposes from the past, and they are  called "habits" ?
  • I don't hold humans & machines in the same category.  We would have to have access to the designer of the human in order to determine what purpose one would serve.
  • I hold the word purpose distinct for humans & for machines
  • My zen study holds that a person has no purpose or meaning in life

Seth says
MeE 2014-01-13 16:48:55 17023
seth 2014-01-13 16:06:50 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 15:16:04 17023
seth 2014-01-13 14:23:08 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 14:13:16 17023
  • What description of BØZØ Ø is also a description of shit?
  • What faculty of a rhinoceros is a faculty of Seth?
  • meaningless questions do not further

can you deny that machines manifest purposes from the past ... and then can you deny that humans also manifest purposes from the past, and they are  called "habits" ?
  • I don't hold humans & machines in the same category.  We would have to have access to the designer of the human in order to determine what purpose one would serve.
  • I hold the word purpose distinct for humans & for machines
  • My zen study holds that a person has no purpose or meaning in life

I think we are getting confused here between the purpose of a human ... which i totally agree we would need to get into the mind of our creator to know ... and a specific purpose or intention that a human peruses which we are almost always aware of when we intend them.  And i also agree that kind of purpose is exclusive the domain of us humans and not machines.  Quite frankly we simply do not know how to create a machine that has true intention.   So when i say, a machine operates for a purpose set in the past, i am obviously talking about the purpose of the designer of the machine.  Now then we get into us humans ourselves ... and the aspect of our beings which operate on purposes established in the past ... er, habits.  I don't see why any of that should be controversial ... is is not just pretty much common knowledge?
  • a conversation on habits would have us enter the domain of the meta-mega-munge-mashup of stuff not intended in this item
  • I appreciate, acknowledge & respect your fun wallaby of a plastic habit however the distinction just doesn't seem powerfully useful to me at this time
  • The RS stuff seems much, much more useful particularly the parts that seem to have a sense for the triad mentioned in this item's Title via art etc.

it's strange how the comprehension of the very part of your thought, which you emphasize bold and redden, becomes suddenly off topic.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-01-13 16:06:50 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 15:16:04 17023
seth 2014-01-13 14:23:08 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 14:13:16 17023
  • What description of BØZØ Ø is also a description of shit?
  • What faculty of a rhinoceros is a faculty of Seth?
  • meaningless questions do not further

can you deny that machines manifest purposes from the past ... and then can you deny that humans also manifest purposes from the past, and they are  called "habits" ?
  • I don't hold humans & machines in the same category.  We would have to have access to the designer of the human in order to determine what purpose one would serve.
  • I hold the word purpose distinct for humans & for machines
  • My zen study holds that a person has no purpose or meaning in life

I think we are getting confused here between the purpose of a human ... which i totally agree we would need to get into the mind of our creator to know ... and a specific purpose or intention that a human peruses which we are almost always aware of when we intend them.  And i also agree that kind of purpose is exclusive the domain of us humans and not machines.  Quite frankly we simply do not know how to create a machine that has true intention.   So when i say, a machine operates for a purpose set in the past, i am obviously talking about the purpose of the designer of the machine.  Now then we get into us humans ourselves ... and the aspect of our beings which operate on purposes established in the past ... er, habits.  I don't see why any of that should be controversial ... is is not just pretty much common knowledge?
  • a conversation on habits would have us enter the domain of the meta-mega-munge-mashup of stuff not intended in this item
  • I appreciate, acknowledge & respect your fun wallaby of a plastic habit however the distinction just doesn't seem powerfully useful to me at this time
  • The RS stuff seems much, much more useful particularly the parts that seem to have a sense for the triad mentioned in this item's Title via art etc.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-01-13 17:47:36 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 16:48:55 17023
seth 2014-01-13 16:06:50 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 15:16:04 17023
seth 2014-01-13 14:23:08 17023
MeE 2014-01-13 14:13:16 17023
  • What description of BØZØ Ø is also a description of shit?
  • What faculty of a rhinoceros is a faculty of Seth?
  • meaningless questions do not further

can you deny that machines manifest purposes from the past ... and then can you deny that humans also manifest purposes from the past, and they are  called "habits" ?
  • I don't hold humans & machines in the same category.  We would have to have access to the designer of the human in order to determine what purpose one would serve.
  • I hold the word purpose distinct for humans & for machines
  • My zen study holds that a person has no purpose or meaning in life

I think we are getting confused here between the purpose of a human ... which i totally agree we would need to get into the mind of our creator to know ... and a specific purpose or intention that a human peruses which we are almost always aware of when we intend them.  And i also agree that kind of purpose is exclusive the domain of us humans and not machines.  Quite frankly we simply do not know how to create a machine that has true intention.   So when i say, a machine operates for a purpose set in the past, i am obviously talking about the purpose of the designer of the machine.  Now then we get into us humans ourselves ... and the aspect of our beings which operate on purposes established in the past ... er, habits.  I don't see why any of that should be controversial ... is is not just pretty much common knowledge?
  • a conversation on habits would have us enter the domain of the meta-mega-munge-mashup of stuff not intended in this item
  • I appreciate, acknowledge & respect your fun wallaby of a plastic habit however the distinction just doesn't seem powerfully useful to me at this time
  • The RS stuff seems much, much more useful particularly the parts that seem to have a sense for the triad mentioned in this item's Title via art etc.

it's strange how the comprehension of the very part of your thought, which you emphasize bold and redden, becomes suddenly off topic.
  • I bolded that for myself to draw it out of the rest of the Tai Shu droppings
  • Probably should have kept the whole thing private
  • I understand the red stuff as GW's stuff

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