Two forces in our Nature

this comparison is too good to forget ...

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source: in our dialogue
  1. perhaps what i do is allow separation
  2. even trip on how it expands growth.
  3. perhaps what you do is to oppose separation

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I think both of those are forces in nature ... and in our internal natures as well.  To divide and grow into specific individual niches is one thrust of nature.  The other is to select and combine and unify and dominate.


Tags

  1. life
  2. differences
  3. sameness
  4. forces
  5. otherness
  6. nature

Comments


Seth says
M1g0r 2014-01-31 08:37:38 17054
  • 'Tis not binary dear bro!
  • I oppose the politics of separation.
  • You apparently don't want to look at the politics at all.
  • Vive la differnces, though. <<=== said already

  1. well yes totally, i presented it as binary forces of nature. 
  2. but of course, real life is not binary nor are these opposing forces
  3. any binary presentation is a generalization, and mungs out details
  4. er, i think we both know that, not sure why it needed to be said again

M1g0r says
seth 2014-01-31 09:10:48 17054
...
  1. interesting to note another set of opposing forces of nature:
  2. or at least of mind
  3. is generality vs specific

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  1. me i think i love the specific more than you do
  2. don't take that the wrong way, please, please, please ... it is just a difference that i gestalt about you and me ... not right or wrong ... just a difference
  3. you love the generality of principles ... Plato's cave and all
  4. i love the unique special thing in its peculiar special context

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  • #3 is bullshit imho
  • I traverse more than one world
  • maybe see beyond myopia
  • having hold of being I can translate it into the specifics of doing without copying your (way?) of doing
  • maybe not

Seth says
M1g0r 2014-01-31 09:04:25 17054
seth 2014-01-31 08:57:35 17054
M1g0r 2014-01-31 08:37:38 17054
  • 'Tis not binary dear bro!
  • I oppose the politics of separation.
  • You apparently don't want to look at the politics at all.
  • Vive la differnces, though. <<=== said already

  1. well yes totally, i presented it as binary forces of nature. 
  2. but of course, real life is not binary nor are these opposing forces
  3. any binary presentation is a generalization, and mungs out details
  4. er, i think we both know that, not sure why it needed to be said again
  • Simply because you used the word oppose which is binary
  • & for me that shows up as a lie
  1. but do not these forces necessarily oppose each other?
  2. how can you allow division (think of cell division) and at the same time stay in one cell ?
  3. but yes you are totally right, these two forces work together in a broader context to create and sustain our lives

Seth says
...
  1. interesting to note another set of opposing forces of nature:
  2. or at least of mind
  3. is generality vs specific

...

  1. me i think i love the specific more than you do
  2. don't take that the wrong way, please, please, please ... it is just a difference that i gestalt about you and me ... not right or wrong ... just a difference
  3. you love the generality of principles ... Plato's cave and all
  4. i love the unique special thing in its peculiar special context

...


Seth says
M1g0r 2014-01-31 09:41:14 17054
What forces specifically?
  1. (1 - division or spreading out and growing into a niche) vs (not doing that ... ie staying the same, pruning and cutting back and restraining difference and change)
  2. originally those were the two forces invoked in the title
  3. ... the other one discovered later is more a force of mind rather than a force of nature
  4. (generalizing) vs (accepting unique special existence)

Seth says
Is my love of the specific so very similar to your love of being?  perhaps the same thing?

M1g0r says
seth 2014-01-31 10:14:15 17054
M1g0r 2014-01-31 09:41:14 17054
What forces specifically?
  1. (1 - division or spreading out and growing into a niche) vs (not doing that ... ie staying the same, pruning and cutting back and restraining difference and change)
  2. originally those were the two forces invoked in the title
  3. ... the other one discovered later is more a force of mind rather than a force of nature
  4. (generalizing) vs (accepting unique special existence)
  • or munging around with opposites like #1 above

M1g0r says
seth 2014-01-31 10:24:28 17054
Is my love of the specific so very similar to your love of being?  perhaps the same thing?
  • munging without understanding
  • may yield confusion
  • they could be seen as NLP metaprograms in an NLP context ..
  • sorting by granularity
  • a greater ontology than NLP has being include all granularity

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