Exercise, Argument or Opinion?

I wonder if this will show up today?  From the RS eLib

Tags

  1. opinion
  2. argument
  3. truth
  4. eternal

Comments


Mark de LA says
All things are different.
Otherwise there is no distinction.
For what purpose is grouping & classification?
Such is a question for a being doing such to ask.
The answer that shows up - is it true, beautiful, good, otherwise?
Or is it one made up after the fact to justify one's act?
hmmm....

Seth says
source: mark
Anyway it seems as if you are just repeating your stand on all that shit & my comments are irrelevant - so adios !
... well i might not have absorbed something you said ... i tried to comprehend it as you did ... and what you said did inspire what i said and was in no means irrelevant to it.  but, sure i can try to absorb more, but at the same time i don't want to rub hard against that which you hold strongly and i see quite differently ... so i will continue to avoid doing that ... but still try to delve deeper into your comments ...
source: mark
  • I don't know the distinction be-ings from beings - do you? I know the difference between a classification which is a concept & an individual thing, don't you? (M1g0r)
... oh i just started using a verb made out of the noun "being".  for me the noun, "being", is too objective .... too much an object .... talking from outside ... the verb to be ... or be ing ... sounds  more from inside ... subjective ... how it feels like to be be ing.  it's a feeling kind of thingey ... not a logical distinction.  i don't think it was even me who coined it.  wasn't it PR or somebody else?

certainly i think i know the difference between a classification or a concept and an individual thing.  outside of  one existing in the metaworld (map) and the other being in the world without interpertaion (territory), it is even worse than that when you can actually feel the one and not the other.  somtimes i get a glympse ... mostly not.   my attitude towards the specific goes in the direction of the individula thing ... but of course anything that i write about that is only words in the metaworld over here which need to be interperted over there with scant emotional cues to go on. 
  1. not doing either might well allow some very interesting other kinds of things to appear
    • like what ? maybe even direct experience?
... yep i was talking about your "direct experience" ... and, er ... acknowledging that what you call that might happen when you can get the metaworld to shut up.  but there is not really much that i can say about it, is there?  it does not show up for me there.  at best i get it differently during different kinds of focusing.  and for me all experience could be called "direct" ... so your single word must not be communicating to me what it means to you. 
  1. ... for one thing eternal is something that i cannot know
    • maybe? maybe not? why the limit? thinking of humanity might be considered something eternal - maybe not! (M1g0r)
... well maybe i should put it "i don't know eternal be ing".  the fact is i have not experienced that ... honestly i have not ... all i have experienced has been quite transitory.  if you do experience eternal, please communicate more about it to me.

i sure hope we (humanity) are eternal or at least part of something that will go on and on and even get better and better and perhaps even shed some of it's bullshit. 

if there is anything else that i missed that would not just be rwg, will  you just bring it up again?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-01 09:16:57 17056
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  1. i like your question, "For what purpose is grouping & classification?" ... i don't know the answer.
    • ask it when you do it (M1g0r)
  2. i think recognizing similarities (classification) is just about as useful as recognizing differences
    • NLP metaprograms sorting by sameness & sorting by differnce + the partials exist (M1g0r)
  3. can the one be even done without the other?
    • yes - distinctions only detect difference - just a little perception & consciousness is needed still at the percept level - see also sequence of encounter (M1g0r)
  4. both are what the human mind does
    • so ? it does a lot of things (M1g0r)
  5. not doing either might well allow some very interesting other kinds of things to appear
    • like what ? maybe even direct experience? (M1g0r)
  6. for it is all too easy to confuse the classifications and the differences from the be-ings themselves
    • I don't know the distinction be-ings from beings - do you? I know the difference between a classification which is a concept & an individual thing, don't you? (M1g0r)
  1. "separating truth from mere opinion" sounds confusing to me
    • can't explain the renumbering but (recovering from my error), this has always been confusing for you - this truth thingy. No truth -> all opinion, eh? (M1g0r)
  2. i don't find it necessarily useful for me to "separate the eternal from the transitory" ...
    • Bozo wanting to persist might have a different idea (M1g0r)
  3. ... for one thing eternal is something that i cannot know
    • maybe? maybe not? why the limit? thinking of humanity might be considered something eternal - maybe not! (M1g0r)
  4. ... and for another i can love transitory things just as very much as things that go on and on just for ever and ever. 
    • KEWL ! Always in the NOW, eh?  Is that shit you took this AM just as good for you right now? ... (M1g0r - just joking)
  5. it doesn't seem useful for me to cop a diminutive attitude towards the one and not the other
    • Such is just your attitude that such is happening - not mine nor perhaps RS's either. Perhaps a jaundiced eye only sees yellow (M1g0r)

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-01 11:44:27 17056
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  1. well we have known for a while here that you have quite different classifications in your apprehensions than me ... i think you call that ontology
  1. the trick is to rub them together to have them interact yet avoid judging one being right or one wrong
  2. i am enamored of the specific ...
  3. i dont't think that has much to do with past,present, and future
  4. so transitory or eternal or then or now does not even crop up as an important consideration for me
  5. just context ... a process is be ing within its specific context ... its specific relationships to everything else  ... (it is a being, which is a classification)
  6. me i am one such ... i am be ing ... in my context ... in my time ... in my world, even today, even when i shit out the vegies i ate yesterday ... or when i write my peculair thoughts to you
  7. recognizing grand beings and forces is  fun too ... what we do, eh?
  8. for example Two forces in our nature
  9. those also be without consideration of past,present, and future
  10. using them is even more fun
  • start a new numbering by hitting return twice past the one you are on --- there are times it won't work -- those are the times the html got corrupted by some unprogrammed for interaction --- you can fix it by clicking view source and fixing the unbalanced markup .. <ul> ...</ul> or <ol> ... </ol>
    1. ill try to catch myself classifying, thanks, maybe grock something there
    2. what is the significance of "M1g0r" vs just saying "Mark" or "magor" ?
    3. incidentally "bozo" is a name for the aspect of me that doesn't give a shit whether it is right or wrong ... "seth" is more a name for the whole me, you get what you invoke ... lol
    1. i have no idea what you or RS feel or think about my love of the specific
    2. it is something i came upon myself
    3. its almost the opposite of what comes from my understanding of Plato's cave
    4. it is not something that i am pushing out there for anyone else to do
    5. but i have heard others do it with zest mostly in art and in their lives
    6. it is kind of a different way than loving principles and eternal beings
    7. not better or worse ... not right or wrong ... just different
    8. and could even be seen as complimentary
    Toomuchtoprocessallatonce. Adoublelistatbest. Correlationistheproblem4me.
    Anyway it seems as if you are just repeating your stand on all that shit & my comments are irrelevant - so adios !
    btw the name I assign to that is BØZØ ≈ BØ≠Ø for the behavior you invoked out of yourself.


    Seth says
    1. i don't find it necessarily useful for me to "separate the eternal from the transitory" ...
      • Bozo wanting to persist might have a different idea
    when i end, when i am through, i am quite content to let otherness persist without me ... which perhaps ... and this just occurred to me as i write it .. is why i love it so much.

    hopefully you will not get mad because i said that out loud .. it is just me ... you will of course go on forever and ever.

    Mark de LA says
    M1g0r 2014-02-02 00:07:47 17056

      - msg got lost
     in the so-called dialog, but thanks for playing. The Saturday exercise is complete. grade yourself & turn out the lights it is now Sunday.


    I think Seth discovered otherness at the same time he discovered his ego. The dance continues on . Good Job.
    I suspect that even our othernesses don't match up minus ourselves but that is a topic for another day.


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