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"i use  the word 'truth' to refer to how i feel about some thing in my mind ... i use the word 'otherness' to refer to how i feel about something that is NOT in my mind" -- Bozo Faust 2014
... Viva La symmetry .

Incidentally, it does kind of need a gestalt ... a seeing the background as the foreground ... or some other kind of sque relative to the traditional way of looking at it. 

But anyway, just because of the symmetry, the one half of the sentence about truth can be used to inform the other half of the sentence about otherness.  Although both can be interpreted in classical logic, the needed gestalt, on both sides, is not derived logically, but rather is the recognition that the feeling itself is the important experience ... is truly the only thing we have ...  and the only thing that actually exists. 

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  1. truth
  2. symmetry
  3. gestalts
  4. otherness

Comments


Seth says
M1g0r 2014-02-03 14:03:54 17061
seth 2014-02-03 13:02:43 17061
M1g0r 2014-02-03 11:56:50 17061
  • mixed in with other things in your mind like things which are false.
i really do kind of need a complete sentence here, otherwise i haven't been able to guess what you mean ... outside of some obvious mundane common knowledge.
"i use  the word 'truth' to refer to how i feel about some thing in my mind <== your context
yes that is what i said.  what are you saying about it?  certainly there are many things reflected and/or associated in my mind.  some to them i have this special feeling about.  some i do not.  What are you pointing out here?

this item is about a newly discovered symmetry.  there are things not in my mind ... not associated there ... to which i can also form an special feeling about. 

Do you not see the symmetry?

M1g0r says
no lies in your head feeling good , eh?

Seth says
M1g0r 2014-02-03 15:03:39 17061
no lies in your head feeling good , eh?

well a lie is something that you consciously know is false, yet tell anyway ... even perhaps to yourself.  so it appears to me that you are asking me if i am intentionally lying to myself about some thing and yet feeling good about lying?  the answer is no i am not.  and to be honest with you, that you even have to ask is an insult to me.

so i will be charitable here and rework your question
source: perhaps mark is really asking

are there things in my head that feel true now ... yet i may change and and feel that they are false ?
... yes, certainly there are.  there are all manner of things that i continually try to feel better and better about.

M1g0r says
seth 2014-02-03 15:31:32 17061
M1g0r 2014-02-03 15:03:39 17061
no lies in your head feeling good , eh?

well a lie is something that you consciously know is false, yet tell anyway ... even perhaps to yourself.  so it appears to me that you are asking me if i am intentionally lying to myself about some thing and yet feeling good about lying?  the answer is no i am not.  and to be honest with you, that you even have to ask is an insult to me.

so i will be charitable here and rework your question
source: perhaps mark is really asking

are there things in my head that feel true now ... yet i may change and and feel that they are false ?
... yes, certainly there are.  there are all manner of things that i continually try to feel better and better about.
Some of them are about me & my posts - so you apparently feel good about what you say even though you can't really know whether they are the truth ...
enjoy!

Seth says
M1g0r 2014-02-03 15:40:24 17061
seth 2014-02-03 15:31:32 17061
M1g0r 2014-02-03 15:03:39 17061
no lies in your head feeling good , eh?

well a lie is something that you consciously know is false, yet tell anyway ... even perhaps to yourself.  so it appears to me that you are asking me if i am intentionally lying to myself about some thing and yet feeling good about lying?  the answer is no i am not.  and to be honest with you, that you even have to ask is an insult to me.

so i will be charitable here and rework your question
source: perhaps mark is really asking

are there things in my head that feel true now ... yet i may change and and feel that they are false ?
... yes, certainly there are.  there are all manner of things that i continually try to feel better and better about.
Some of them are about me & my posts - so you apparently feel good about what you say even though you can't really know whether they are the truth ...
enjoy!
huh?  i do know how i feel about them ... because that is my direct experience which i cannot doubt.  obviously i don't know how you will feel about them ... whether you too will feel they are the truth ... that belong for me to otherness.  

you see it is that pesky word "are" that you threw in there ... as if there were somebody else here who could adjudicate the matter.  ... but mark ... we both know there is not.   So, no, i don't understand what you are asking me here.   Are you just reasserting your belief in some absolute arbitrator of these personal things?  but, hey, if i say something about you or your posts that you feel is not true, then just tell me and also tell me why it is not true ... i am almost certain that i will believe you and change my mind.

Seth says
source: mark
You seem to be sincere in not knowing & not understanding some of the most fundamental assumption most people have
... well what feels truer to me is that  "i am sincere in not accepting some of the fundamental assumptions that some people have". 

incidentally it is just where two minds have differences in their fundamental assumptions that i believe interesting dialogue can happen between them assuming that both minds honestly have good will and a common purpose to discover. just like two different eyes can see more than any one can see by itself

Seth says
M 2014-09-10 11:43:59 17061
seth 2014-09-10 10:54:40 17061
Maybe you are thinking that i am using the word to point to more than simply that which is not me.   Can you see that to say, "that which is not me is insipid", would be just to express my depression?

But that obviously is not what i am doing when i use the word ...

My point about otherness is the attitude that i adopt towards it.  I respect it ... i am curious about it ... i even love it.  I do not try to change it into me, or change myself into it.  I let it effect me, and i effect it. 
for some possible encounter of the pronoun it, eh, which can be anything.

well i don't understand your complaint.  let me write my sentence again and eliminate the pronoun ... then could you please let me know if you still have the same complaint?

My point about otherness is the attitude that i adopt towards that which is not me.  I respect that which is not me .. i am curious about that which is not me... i even love that which is not me.  I do not try to change that which is not me into me, or change myself into that which is not me .  I let that which is not me effect me, and i effect that which is not me.

... a bit tedious to write it that way ... lol and probably to read it also ... but there is no stinking ambiguous "it" hanging in my thought.   "that which is not me" is a simple logical distinction ... nothing more ... nothing less.  usually i just use the word "otherness"  ... easier to write.

Seth says
Maybe you are thinking that i am using the word to point to more than simply that which is not me.   Can you see that to say, "that which is not me is insipid", would be just to express my depression?

But that obviously is not what i am doing when i use the word ...

My point about otherness is the attitude that i adopt towards it.  I respect it ... i am curious about it ... i even love it.  I do not try to change it into me, or change myself into it.  I let it effect me, and i effect it. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-09-10 11:56:49 17061
M 2014-09-10 11:43:59 17061
seth 2014-09-10 10:54:40 17061
Maybe you are thinking that i am using the word to point to more than simply that which is not me.   Can you see that to say, "that which is not me is insipid", would be just to express my depression?

But that obviously is not what i am doing when i use the word ...

My point about otherness is the attitude that i adopt towards it.  I respect it ... i am curious about it ... i even love it.  I do not try to change it into me, or change myself into it.  I let it effect me, and i effect it. 
for some possible encounter of the pronoun it, eh, which can be anything.

well i don't understand your complaint.  let me write my sentence again and eliminate the pronoun ... then could you please let me know if you still have the same complaint?

My point about otherness is the attitude that i adopt towards that which is not me.  I respect that which is not me .. i am curious about that which is not me... i even love that which is not me.  I do not try to change that which is not me into me, or change myself into that which is not me .  I let that which is not me effect me, and i effect that which is not me.

... a bit tedious to write it that way ... lol and probably to read it also ... but there is no stinking ambiguous "it" hanging in my thought.   "that which is not me" is a simple logical distinction ... nothing more ... nothing less.  usually i just use the word "otherness"  ... easier to write.
Anyway regardless - going otherness to your otherness - PR said it much more simply :
.. In simple, YOU. Not you as an identity but as the reality that is. What is actually True — beyond belief, self serving interests, preference, and even conceivability.
...
You have to genuinely come from that you deeply don't know what the block of wood is. Or what you are probably...
...


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