Walls


There is a natural wall between me and what is outside me.  Other people cannot see what is inside my wall.  Nor can i see inside their walls. 

Fortunately we have developed a solution to this predicament ... it's called communication. 

I cannot emphasize this enough.  Each of us humans has an inside and a outside ... a public outside and a private inside.

That is not a perdicament that we can wish or gestalt away.  Take for example a Buddha or any otherwise wise and enlightened person.  They almost certainly can see the world, inside and outside of themselves, sans their particular wall ... and who knows they may even be able to see inside of my particular peculiar specific wall.   It doesn't matter in the least to me ... for i still cannot see inside of their wall.  Our predicament persists despite their enlightenment.  So we cannot wish or gestalt these walls away.  Me thinks, it is better to accept them as a given element of our human predicament.


... said in preparation for another thought which i have temporarily forgotten

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  1. walls
  2. enlightment
  3. elements
  4. ego

Comments


Seth says
source: mark says
There is no inside-outside to unity of existence or Nirvana.
  absolutely .

But i don't want this other thing that i talk about here to get lost.


I really don't want you to deny that you experience an inside and an outside of your being.  This is not something to just quibble about ... or get diverted from.  I talk here of a real edge that forms my personality.  I am theorizing that same edge helps form all our personalities.  But here is the thing, this inner/outer edge  shapes personality quite differently from person to person.  You and I are probably very similar because we grew up with a loving mother and GW as our father in the same family about the same time in history.  Obviously there will be differences.  I don't want to rub on those.  But i sure would like you to at least acknowledge your insides as different from your outsides ... for without that acknowledgement it might make me think that i am much more peculiar than i otherwise expected.  So which is it, do you also have an inner personal private side like i do?  Can you see into my inner personal life just exactly the same as you see into your own?  .... there are lots of other questions i could ask about this, but i think you get the idea by now.  



M1g0r says
Buddha saw things as unity, Nirvana perhaps


Seth says
M1g0r 2014-02-14 08:40:07 17086
seth 2014-02-14 08:33:12 17086
M1g0r 2014-02-14 08:28:43 17086
Buddha saw things as unity.

is that not pretty much like i said above: "Take for example a Buddha or any otherwise wise and enlightened person.  They almost certainly can see the world, inside and outside of themselves, sans their particular walls ..."  ?
ngai whang hi boo ping
There is no inside-outside to unity of existence or Nirvana.
... hmmm ... isn't that what i just said too?

My predicament ... and that of almost all of humanity i might add ... is that i do not live in a state of Nirvana.   Then too, there is still that pesky problem of us troglodytes not being able to see inside the walls of the Buddhas ... since their enlightenment changes (or may change) the predicament only for themselves ... and not for those who are not privy to their insides.  There are other problems too, but we may well never get to those, were this simpler one here not to even be understood.

M1g0r says
seth 2014-02-16 05:39:29 17086
source: mark says
There is no inside-outside to unity of existence or Nirvana.
  absolutely .

But i don't want this other thing that i talk about here to get lost.


I really don't want you to deny that you experience an inside and an outside of your being.  This is not something to just quibble about ... or get diverted from.  I talk here of a real edge that forms my personality.  I am theorizing that same edge helps form all our personalities.  But here is the thing, this inner/outer edge  shapes personality quite differently from person to person.  You and I are probably very similar because we grew up with a loving mother and GW as our father in the same family about the same time in history.  Obviously there will be differences.  I don't want to rub on those.  But i sure would like you to at least acknowledge your insides as different from your outsides ... for without that acknowledgement it might make me think that i am much more peculiar than i otherwise expected.  So which is it, do you also have an inner personal private side like i do?  Can you see into my inner personal life just exactly the same as you see into your own?  .... there are lots of other questions i could ask about this, but i think you get the idea by now.  


Leave the being part out.  There is an inside & outside of my body  ... I expressed this shit in 17059 already - the way I want it said. Anything else is your munged up confusion.


Seth says
source: mark
Leave the being part out.  There is an inside & outside of my body  ... I expressed this shit in [item 17059] already - the way I want it said. Anything else is your munged up confusion.

... well thanks .... i needed that .

Strange about the being part though ... i didn't expect that .

But i think i do understand it. 

i did not know that 17059 would have bore on these questions, i will need to go study that in more depth to understand why. 

Does your being as well as your body have an inside and an outside?  Or are you ruling that a secret that you don't want to tell me?  Or is it perhaps a category error for me even to have asked the question?  Or perhaps just something that you don't want to say out loud?

And, no, i do not need those answers like i needed to know if ..., er your body had an inside and a outside like mine does.   Obviously i don't make that distinction between me and my body and my being.  To me they are all the same thing, though perhaps talked about from a different context.

M1g0r says
Being is analogous to Spirit is ultimately a reflection of the Universe - maybe read (*) or not.

Seth says
M1g0r 2014-02-16 08:17:35 17086
Being is analogous to Spirit is ultimately a reflection of the Universe - maybe read (*) or not.

i prefer my conception of being as a sustaining process.

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