Ontologically Speaking..

The Ego never fails to enforce separateness!

An Ego separates one part of the Cosmic Ooze from another. One of the fears at the threshold must be that of dissolving into it (said ooze) & disappearing.

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Seth says
Einai 2014-02-22 01:42:11 17112
seth 2014-02-21 22:19:09 17112
seth 2014-02-21 19:08:07 17112
How does the ego seeks to isolate and defend anymore than it seeks to love and be loved?
More word-salad comparisons. See 17105
That's simply what an Ego does.
... oh ... am i to take that only on your authority?  Me, i do lots of things and not just simply compose words to mean something and try to be right at your expense of being wrong.  So perhaps my "ego" is quite very different than  yours after all.  I said that to say, i think you have noticed something there about your "ego", but have forgotten to consider if it is in fact just you.

Of course now you will be saying, "me saying this, in defense of my ego", proves your point.  Oh, well, i really can't be me, when somebody else is expecting something so very noxious, now can i?

Anyway another thing i wanted to highlight in relationship to 17096 was how much difference it makes in the sense of touch perception between whether you are examining the finger that is being touched as opposed to the finger doing the touching.  Maybe something to think about ... just that i did detect quite a difference. This may just have something to do with your topic here, maybe not, i really do not know, but am mentioning it here just in case it does. 

Seth says
... or, said a bit more directly.  I think Mark's ego never fails to enforce separateness.   I do it too, but i don't always do it ... and i actually love it when i don't do it. 

Seth says
For example:  when you give something to somebody, are you still enforcing your separateness from them?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-22 02:33:29 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 01:42:11 17112
seth 2014-02-21 22:19:09 17112
seth 2014-02-21 19:08:07 17112
How does the ego seeks to isolate and defend anymore than it seeks to love and be loved?
More word-salad comparisons. See 17105
That's simply what an Ego does.
... oh ... am i to take that only on your authority?  Me, i do lots of things and not just simply compose words to mean something and try to be right at your expense of being wrong.  So perhaps my "ego" is quite very different than  yours after all.  I said that to say, i think you have noticed something there about your "ego", but have forgotten to consider if it is in fact just you.

Of course now you will be saying, "me saying this, in defense of my ego", proves your point.  Oh, well, i really can't be me, when somebody else is expecting something so very noxious, now can i?

Anyway another thing i wanted to highlight in relationship to 17096 was how much difference it makes in the sense of touch perception between whether you are examining the finger that is being touched as opposed to the finger doing the touching.  Maybe something to think about ... just that i did detect quite a difference. This may just have something to do with your topic here, maybe not, i really do not know, but am mentioning it here just in case it does. 
Case in point (ibid)  - WHAT DOES AN EGO DO?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-22 07:48:23 17112
When you supported me while we were working on CyberMind were you enforcing your separateness?
Capitalist investment, eh?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-22 09:46:51 17112
source: mark
Listen (or read)  ... An Ego separates one part of the Cosmic Ooze from another. One of the fears at the threshold must be that of dissolving into it & disappearing.

... ... hmmm.   The way you say that seems to me to be a just a definition of "Ego".  In other words you are just saying to me:  "I have called the separation of myself from the rest of the universe "my Ego".  Ok, is that what you are doing here?  If not, then what are you doing?  Perhaps telling me something about myself?

I call the event that happens when the separation of myself from the universe dissolves, "my death".  I do try to avoid that instintually.  But i don't call that enforcing my separateness.  Cerainly not like when i play RWG defending my honor against its encroachment.  To me those are quite different things.  Do you somehow have them munged in yourself?  Or are you saying that the are necessarily the same thing?
Most likely something else, but you have not yet mastered the ontological aspect already in the base item - so what's the use.  The local ngai whang hi is part of the separation still looking to be right at the expense of facing the cosmic ooze straight in the face.
Good Luck with that!


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-22 08:37:56 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 07:51:46 17112
seth 2014-02-22 02:33:29 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 01:42:11 17112
seth 2014-02-21 22:19:09 17112
seth 2014-02-21 19:08:07 17112
How does the ego seeks to isolate and defend anymore than it seeks to love and be loved?
More word-salad comparisons. See 17105
That's simply what an Ego does.
... oh ... am i to take that only on your authority?  Me, i do lots of things and not just simply compose words to mean something and try to be right at your expense of being wrong.  So perhaps my "ego" is quite very different than  yours after all.  I said that to say, i think you have noticed something there about your "ego", but have forgotten to consider if it is in fact just you.

Of course now you will be saying, "me saying this, in defense of my ego", proves your point.  Oh, well, i really can't be me, when somebody else is expecting something so very noxious, now can i?

Anyway another thing i wanted to highlight in relationship to 17096 was how much difference it makes in the sense of touch perception between whether you are examining the finger that is being touched as opposed to the finger doing the touching.  Maybe something to think about ... just that i did detect quite a difference. This may just have something to do with your topic here, maybe not, i really do not know, but am mentioning it here just in case it does. 
Case in point (ibid)  - WHAT DOES AN EGO DO?

Did i not just predict that would be your response above? (see red bold)
Apparently YOU do not know what an EGO does or can't answer the question.  Your prediction was just a preemptive RWG ; - doing one of the things an EGO does.


Seth says
Einai 2014-02-23 07:21:50 17112
seth 2014-02-23 02:32:38 17112
Einai 2014-02-23 00:44:15 17112
seth 2014-02-22 19:44:29 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 10:13:11 17112
seth 2014-02-22 09:58:36 17112
source: mark asks me
WHAT DOES AN EGO DO?
Well i do all kinds of things.  One of them is to try to survive.  Another one is to thank the universe for creating me.  One of them is to feel good.  One of them is to love you.  One of them is to try to get you to understand me the way i understand myself and not twist what i say so that it sounds like something that you can instult me about.  One of them is to support my wife.  Another one is to understand how i can contribute to the futue of humanity.  obviously i can go on and on but i am quite sure you are already boored with this.  oh yes, i masturbate,  and i get angry when i can't express myself so that others will understand my insides the way i feel them.  oh and i cook food better and better.   etc, etc, etc ...

What do you do?
You answered the question "What do I do?"  - nice, thanks for sharing
A different question was asked in the context of ontology.


Well actually I  speak for all of my parts
& yet can't answer the question asked.  Do you have a politician in your back pocket?



Your question seems to presumes a separation and/or dynamics of parts that is generalized for all people.  Some one part of me is suppose to have some function ... and that function is suppose to be quite similar from person to person ... and presumably functions the same even in different contexts.  I really don't believe those presumptions.  My own internal being changes from time to time and from context to context.  I suspect that it is nothing like your internal being.  I don't believe that happens inside of you generalize in any important way to what happens inside of me.  So i told you some of the things I do.   Why don't you answer the question yourself from your own personal experience.  What do you do?  What does your so called "ego" do that is distinguished from that?  Then if i can match your experience to mine i will acknowledge it and we will have some real communication for a change.

Incidentally i am not into a hostile dialogue here.  If that is what you want, then forget it, won't happen.
I suppose Signund Freud was WRONG, then when he created the contexts of ID, SuperEgo & Ego as generalizations of mental behavior.

BTW, Being & Doing are different realms.  Ontology is about the Being thingy! (see BofNK if confused).

Yep, you certainly put your finger on it there!,  thanks!

Terms like "ego", "id", are just names for generalizations of mental behavior.   That is all.  They are not things that exist ... not things that be ... they have no be ing.  Not only that,  but these generalizations are made by people subjectively ... so we find that Freud's ego, with it hyper sexual elements, was not Steiner's with its spiritual elements.  Thinking otherwise is, me thinks, quite confusing.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-22 08:42:49 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 08:12:15 17112
Some say there is no such thing as agape love.  It even begins to disappear in the description in Wikipedia.  One might have to go metaphysical to grok it if it exists in the human race. OTOH, one could spend a lifetime in contemplation of what it is. In the context of faith I hold it exists in JC, but one might have to grok or be willing to penetrate to the essence of the Lord's Prayer to get there.



yes, or course .

Yet still and all i can give just because a person needs something and i can love just because i actually do ... when i do those things, i do not think i am enforcing my separateness from what i am loving or to whom i am giving.  How is that not a direct contradiction of your central thought in the item ??
So what? Such proves nothing. It is again comparing two essentially different things. Your metaprograms can have you do just about anything that looks to you like love or giving by stragegies, winning formulas, rackets & anchoring, eh?
Listen (or read)  ... An Ego separates one part of the Cosmic Ooze from another. One of the fears at the threshold must be that of dissolving into it & disappearing.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-22 09:10:52 17112
source: mark ... talking about me

Apparently YOU do not know what an EGO does or can't answer the question.  Your prediction was just a preemptive RWG ; - doing one of the things an EGO does.

I don't know what question you asked of me.  You made an assertion, "The Ego never fails to enforce separateness".  I was trying to show that there are cases where it does not. 

Me, i know i do all kinds of things.  Said in some kind of weird third person i suppose that is the same as saying that "my ego does all kinds of things" ... er, not just "enforcing its separateness". But to me, to be honest, i tend to try to eliminate my separateness wherever i can ... it just feels better than the separateness.  The separateness seems to be there in and of the nature of my predicament and not something that needs to be enforced by me.  

I suppose that you actually do have this quite different in yourself ... have you considered that might just be you?

But, no, i do not know what your EGO does ... i am not privy to that information ... but i will take your word for it ... viz, "your EGO never fails to enforce separateness". 

What more can i say?

Probably nothing! Missed & didn't answer WHAT DOES AN EGO DO? (look above)


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-23 08:40:11 17112
Einai 2014-02-23 07:21:50 17112
seth 2014-02-23 02:32:38 17112
Einai 2014-02-23 00:44:15 17112
seth 2014-02-22 19:44:29 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 10:13:11 17112
seth 2014-02-22 09:58:36 17112
source: mark asks me
WHAT DOES AN EGO DO?
Well i do all kinds of things.  One of them is to try to survive.  Another one is to thank the universe for creating me.  One of them is to feel good.  One of them is to love you.  One of them is to try to get you to understand me the way i understand myself and not twist what i say so that it sounds like something that you can instult me about.  One of them is to support my wife.  Another one is to understand how i can contribute to the futue of humanity.  obviously i can go on and on but i am quite sure you are already boored with this.  oh yes, i masturbate,  and i get angry when i can't express myself so that others will understand my insides the way i feel them.  oh and i cook food better and better.   etc, etc, etc ...

What do you do?
You answered the question "What do I do?"  - nice, thanks for sharing
A different question was asked in the context of ontology.


Well actually I  speak for all of my parts
& yet can't answer the question asked.  Do you have a politician in your back pocket?



Your question seems to presumes a separation and/or dynamics of parts that is generalized for all people.  Some one part of me is suppose to have some function ... and that function is suppose to be quite similar from person to person ... and presumably functions the same even in different contexts.  I really don't believe those presumptions.  My own internal being changes from time to time and from context to context.  I suspect that it is nothing like your internal being.  I don't believe that happens inside of you generalize in any important way to what happens inside of me.  So i told you some of the things I do.   Why don't you answer the question yourself from your own personal experience.  What do you do?  What does your so called "ego" do that is distinguished from that?  Then if i can match your experience to mine i will acknowledge it and we will have some real communication for a change.

Incidentally i am not into a hostile dialogue here.  If that is what you want, then forget it, won't happen.
I suppose Signund Freud was WRONG, then when he created the contexts of ID, SuperEgo & Ego as generalizations of mental behavior.

BTW, Being & Doing are different realms.  Ontology is about the Being thingy! (see BofNK if confused).

Yep, you certainly put your finger on it there!,  thanks!

Terms like "ego", "id", are just names for generalizations of mental behavior.   That is all.  They are not things that exist ... not things that be ... they have no be ing.  Not only that,  but these generalizations are made by people subjectively ... so we find that Freud's ego, with it hyper sexual elements, was not Steiner's with its spiritual elements.  Thinking otherwise is, me thinks, quite confusing.
So extrapolating from what Seth hur kon yawn, stuff that does not generalize is lun ... meh?
Boo Sum = lun - the item is yam !


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-23 02:32:38 17112
Einai 2014-02-23 00:44:15 17112
seth 2014-02-22 19:44:29 17112
Einai 2014-02-22 10:13:11 17112
seth 2014-02-22 09:58:36 17112
source: mark asks me
WHAT DOES AN EGO DO?
Well i do all kinds of things.  One of them is to try to survive.  Another one is to thank the universe for creating me.  One of them is to feel good.  One of them is to love you.  One of them is to try to get you to understand me the way i understand myself and not twist what i say so that it sounds like something that you can instult me about.  One of them is to support my wife.  Another one is to understand how i can contribute to the futue of humanity.  obviously i can go on and on but i am quite sure you are already boored with this.  oh yes, i masturbate,  and i get angry when i can't express myself so that others will understand my insides the way i feel them.  oh and i cook food better and better.   etc, etc, etc ...

What do you do?
You answered the question "What do I do?"  - nice, thanks for sharing
A different question was asked in the context of ontology.


Well actually I  speak for all of my parts
& yet can't answer the question asked.  Do you have a politician in your back pocket?



Your question seems to presumes a separation and/or dynamics of parts that is generalized for all people.  Some one part of me is suppose to have some function ... and that function is suppose to be quite similar from person to person ... and presumably functions the same even in different contexts.  I really don't believe those presumptions.  My own internal being changes from time to time and from context to context.  I suspect that it is nothing like your internal being.  I don't believe that happens inside of you generalize in any important way to what happens inside of me.  So i told you some of the things I do.   Why don't you answer the question yourself from your own personal experience.  What do you do?  What does your so called "ego" do that is distinguished from that?  Then if i can match your experience to mine i will acknowledge it and we will have some real communication for a change.

Incidentally i am not into a hostile dialogue here.  If that is what you want, then forget it, won't happen.
I suppose Signund Freud was WRONG, then when he created the contexts of ID, SuperEgo & Ego as generalizations of mental behavior.

BTW, Being & Doing are different realms.  Ontology is about the Being thingy! (see BofNK if confused).

Seth says
source: mark
So extrapolating from what Seth hur kon yawn, stuff that does not generalize is lun ... meh?
Boo Sum = lun - the item is yam !

I have no idea what you are saying ... "stuff that does not generalize" appears to me to refer to just about the null set, for anybody can generalize just about anything and they do so incessantly.  but it is clear to sum that  when they confuse the generalizations for the things themselves they are in grave error. 

Using ming to communicate precisely is to me wiggy wobbley woogey ... and those who do so are are so very very quite chiggy .

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-02-23 10:47:43 17112
words usually point to things in some domain contrary to your dissing of Freud; generalizations or not.
As a human you don't exist since human is a generalization, eh?

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-02-23 10:43:10 17112
seth 2014-02-23 10:27:08 17112
source: mark
So extrapolating from what Seth hur kon yawn, stuff that does not generalize is lun ... meh?
Boo Sum = lun - the item is yam !

I have no idea what you are saying ... "stuff that does not generalize" appears to me to refer to just about the null set, for anybody can generalize just about anything and they do so incessantly.  but it is clear to sum that  when they confuse the generalizations for the things themselves they are in grave error. 

Using ming to communicate precisely is to me wiggy wobbley woogey ... and those who do so are are so very very quite chiggy .
just like be ing is chiggy wiggy wobbley woogey to those who speak ordinary English.
Case in point beeing

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-02-23 10:53:07 17112
I think this item has run its course straight back into our local ngai whang hi!

As a postscript, I like the idea in the body of this item far more than any of the comments.

Mark de LA says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCTHZZZj5BA What is Ontology - Peter Ralston


spongebob says
spongebob 2014-08-29 13:40:25 17112
seth 2014-08-29 13:18:39 [item 17700]
Just curious ... Has that kind of top down analytic approach worked in your own life?   I must admit that it has not worked in mine.
Not here.  Off topic. Maybe belongs somewhere else. Maybe here.  This item describes something that is important to more than just you and I.  It will disappear shortly. Because it is unworkable in your own life does not make it the same for anyone else.

All of group, top-down & bottom-up thinking is required.  Read some of the material, please.

....
sorry moved from original.  may have to repeat your last; Hermes notwithstanding.


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