Gravity & The Future

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Morning contemplation yelded things in two different domains with attractive-repulsive proterties - gravity & the future.  Time & the future yield to change but are conceptual or imaginary. Gravity is invisible. Gravity seems as real as it can get but in the physical domain it yields to airplanes, rockets, levity, swimming & buoyancy. What was weird that caused me to remember in spite of trying to go for total silence was tzu .

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Mark de LA says
Chasing the Chinese etymology adds the flavor of human consideration to the Ming by changing the Chinese from power to human.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-25 01:32:21 17114
Einai 2014-02-24 23:06:42 17114
seth 2014-02-24 21:28:06 17114
Do what thou wilt -contradictions blend!
WTF? tzu?


well if you do balance rocks against gravity in the turbulance of a stream, are you not blending contradictions ?  are not blending atractive-repulsive forces in different domains into the future nothing short of tzu ?
Ham hex #36 line 4, quoted,  is about influence ham - so I was asking how that corresponded tzu with anything in this item itself. The only reason I unprivatized this item was because it was a weird corresponcence I noticed in my morning meditation - similar to whatever your 3-leafy thingy conversation was pointing at.  At the time it was hard to pin down & even worse today. 
The gravity thing is an optical illusion aided by a little sand or something. It is using gravity.
All of this is far away from 17115 which I still think you have failed to illustrate or even explain what your premise is.  Is it that a private concept (no such thing in my book) can't be communicated? For me concepts, ideas, imaginations etc are beings. They exist in the worlds where thoughts originate.
It is easier to understand something if you pull it back out of the nesting conversation.


Mark de LA says
Other clues to removing the separateness might be found in the tenets of Bakti Yoga & here .
Some think it is possible using consciousness rather than thinking or just feeling.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-13 12:27:07 17114
imho, the best way to decrease separateness is to communicate ... better and better.  i see no reason that it should be any more complicated than just that.  art does it ... honest talking does it ... sharing food does it ... sharing purpose and intent does it ... etc, etc.  

then i ask myself what increases separateness?  er, mostly what opposes those, huh?
You've just exchanged one word for another: separateness for come together, make common,  i.e. the meaning of communicate. KEWL! almost points exactly to what I have always said focus on what we have in common like being human beings.
.. in art <==


Seth says
Einai 2014-02-25 08:43:20 17114
seth 2014-02-25 08:14:27 17114
Einai 2014-02-25 07:38:13 17114
Einai 2014-02-25 07:21:43 17114
Maybe you are trying to invalidate private concepts as valid for anyone else. Maybe not.
Maybe anti-holophrasis?

... how about certainly not .   why would i want to invalidate private concepts as valid for others?  based upon things i have said you should have known that would have been just about opposite of what i would ever wanted to do.

Instead ...

We each of us have our own private world views.  I think they are far different from each other than most people assume ... and that we should try to respect each other's world views just as very much as we possibly can.  As we work and live together in this social being our different world views rub against each other changing and creating part of the beauty and strength of our humanity. 

That does sound a bit idealistic even to me, but i i guess you deserved to hear it,  after all it was your provocation which teased it out of me .
KEWL!
& so how does that relate to the core premise in 17112 - I say in some way such validates it.
.. for some value of the words "world view" Weltanschauung? & respect. I'll put a great maybe? on the bolded blue.

Well in my Weltanschauung there is no "ego being" that works to "separate my part of the Cosmic Ooze from that which it is not" ... rather that separation is part of the predicament itself, not something of my creation ... and I, ... er ... rather struggle against that separation.   Your Weltanschauung I hear is quite different.   Is that not totally consistent with the words which you picked out and boldblued?

Mark de LA says
Well, you have described a world view which is private. That means, normally, that there is a separation between yours & others, not? As you exercise yourself as yourself & give being to your world view you are doing what I described, eh? Such does not prevent crossing boundaries but you might have to sacrifice some selfness or ego, imho (which is neither).


Seth says
Einai 2014-02-25 09:18:13 17114
Well, you have described a world view which is private. That means, normally, that there is a separation between yours & others, not? As you exercise yourself as yourself & give being to your world view you are doing what I described, eh? Such does not prevent crossing boundaries but you might have to sacrifice some selfness or ego, imho (which is neither).


Well if i can express my world view i am not considering it private ... notwithstanding that others who may actually understand it will not be holding it for themselves.  I consider something that is private, something that i hold secret and do not rub against others in the world.  Yes, when others do not respect my view, try to tear it down, then they are merely expressing their otherness to it ... that is a "separation".  It is something that i do not necessarily love ... but nonetheless something that i must accept happens. 

I suppose I could feel that exercising myself as myself & giving being to my world view was separating myself from it ... but i don't ... i rather feel that i am living into it ... going into it ... taking its otherness into me ... and rubbing my otherness to it into it.  I call that blending, not separating ... just as #36,4 encoded.  Honestly that is the way it feels.

Mark de LA says
Actually, it doesn't really matter which side of a world view point one is on since the nature of the Tao requires both sides.
tao & ... or pictorially


Mark de LA says
... or more crudely
For a turd to exist so did an asshole!


Mark de LA says
Some other Tao stuff with time, future , e=mc^2 etc:

I just imagined an 3D spherical tao (geometrical) in which each half is oscillating between one state of existence of energy to it's opposite always in a dynamic balance & when viewed from one viewpoint or another is a fractal of another level of the the same thing - to infinity & beyond.
That is how energy or perhaps anything else is ultimately conserved.  I wish I could make a youtube of that.




Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-25 09:18:33 17114
Einai 2014-02-25 07:19:50 17114
seth 2014-02-25 01:32:21 17114
Einai 2014-02-24 23:06:42 17114
seth 2014-02-24 21:28:06 17114
Do what thou wilt -contradictions blend!
WTF? tzu?


well if you do balance rocks against gravity in the turbulance of a stream, are you not blending contradictions ?  are not blending atractive-repulsive forces in different domains into the future nothing short of tzu ?
Ham hex #36 line 4, quoted,  is about influence ham - so I was asking how that corresponded tzu with anything in this item itself. The only reason I unprivatized this item was because it was a weird corresponcence I noticed in my morning meditation - similar to whatever your 3-leafy thingy conversation was pointing at.  At the time it was hard to pin down & even worse today. 
The gravity thing is an optical illusion aided by a little sand or something. It is using gravity.
All of this is far away from 17115 which I still think you have failed to illustrate or even explain what your premise is.  Is it that a private concept (no such thing in my book) can't be communicated? For me concepts, ideas, imaginations etc are beings. They exist in the worlds where thoughts originate.
It is easier to understand something if you pull it back out of the nesting conversation.


Well i was going on just the one line itself, "Do what thou wilt -contradictions blend", which i take to be describe what Michael Grab was doing by balancing bolders ... and also what you expressed about "blending atractive-repulsive forces in different domains into the future".  I mean when we act and do something even in the face of the contradictions which contrive to prevent our deeds, do we not actually "blend those very contradictions".

I came to that line by your concordance by retrieving "correspond" and/or "contradiction" ... am not sure the exact train of thought i used, but that was the springboard and the concordance was the tool.  I thought it was KEWL too!

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-25 10:27:52 17114
Einai 2014-02-25 09:59:11 17114
Some other Tao stuff with time, future , e=mc^2 etc:

I just imagined an 3D spherical tao (geometrical) in which each half is oscillating between one state of existence of energy to it's opposite always in a dynamic balance & when viewed from one viewpoint or another is a fractal of another level of the the same thing - to infinity & beyond.
That is how energy or perhaps anything else is ultimately conserved.  I wish I could make a youtube of that.



wow ... a unified theory of everything ?   Yeah i sure would like to see that one.  Might go better an an interactive java than a static youtube that cannot be navigated by an observer.
Maybe this is the clue to why God invented black holes!

Seth says
Einai 2014-02-25 09:59:11 17114
Some other Tao stuff with time, future , e=mc^2 etc:

I just imagined an 3D spherical tao (geometrical) in which each half is oscillating between one state of existence of energy to it's opposite always in a dynamic balance & when viewed from one viewpoint or another is a fractal of another level of the the same thing - to infinity & beyond.
That is how energy or perhaps anything else is ultimately conserved.  I wish I could make a youtube of that.



wow ... a unified theory of everything ?   Yeah i sure would like to see that one.  Might go better an an interactive java than a static youtube that cannot be navigated by an observer.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-02-25 10:27:52 17114
Einai 2014-02-25 09:59:11 17114
Some other Tao stuff with time, future , e=mc^2 etc:

I just imagined an 3D spherical tao (geometrical) in which each half is oscillating between one state of existence of energy to it's opposite always in a dynamic balance & when viewed from one viewpoint or another is a fractal of another level of the the same thing - to infinity & beyond.
That is how energy or perhaps anything else is ultimately conserved.  I wish I could make a youtube of that.



wow ... a unified theory of everything ?   Yeah i sure would like to see that one.  Might go better an an interactive java than a static youtube that cannot be navigated by an observer.
Once you get the point it is similar to what the picture on 17112 points to & one runs the danger of getting absorbed into the Cosmic Ooze.


Seth says
Einai 2014-02-25 11:05:27 17114
seth 2014-02-25 10:27:52 17114
Einai 2014-02-25 09:59:11 17114
Some other Tao stuff with time, future , e=mc^2 etc:

I just imagined an 3D spherical tao (geometrical) in which each half is oscillating between one state of existence of energy to it's opposite always in a dynamic balance & when viewed from one viewpoint or another is a fractal of another level of the the same thing - to infinity & beyond.
That is how energy or perhaps anything else is ultimately conserved.  I wish I could make a youtube of that.



wow ... a unified theory of everything ?   Yeah i sure would like to see that one.  Might go better an an interactive java than a static youtube that cannot be navigated by an observer.
Once you get the point it is similar to what the picture on 17112 points to & one runs the danger of getting absorbed into the Cosmic Ooze.


...er ... ... of course i would fight the twoness ... too much a tendency to just oscillate ... not nearly the improvement of a threnness ... and why stop there?

Mark de LA says
Just finished the movie Gravity - worth watching. on facebook link
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