This is the attitude I grew up with towards people who did not matriculate in GWs brand of the esoteric.


source: source GW's document

... "No troglodyte can understand the metamorphosis of conscious happening; they interpert it differently; it behoves Us to take their every utterance & devilish propoganda with a grain of SALT !" ...



... which attitude, of course, sucks big time

but perhaps it was good for GW ... not so very good for me ... how was it for you?

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  2. troglodyte
  3. occult
  4. attitude policeman
  5. item 17121
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  7. thelemites
  8. public vs private

Comments


Seth says
Einai 2014-02-27 13:09:44 17121
According to your own walled garden of Ego - PML!

mark, mark, mark,  .... now just who walled that particular garden.  please speak directly.  this, incidentally is not about me ... not about you ... really only just about troglodyes and thelmytes and why that distinction was drawn to us as children and to the order.  no further rwg to be allowed on this item.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-06 10:58:56 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:43:33 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:25:58 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:06:46 17121
Something for the attitude police to think about here:
[picture not informative here]


Well of course everybody gets to choose their own attitude ... absolutely !

There are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  
KEWL - then I won't expect to see your commenting on mine or anyone else's here or elsewhere.


but of course that does not follow.   i will become just as very aware of my own attitude and the attitude of people around me as humanly possible.   and communicating about those those attitudes is part of that process of awareness.   hopefully you will understand the distinction between that and what you said.  if not, then we certainly can talk about it untill we understand each other.

This item is, in fact, a case in point.  It expresses my awareness that i grew up in a family which taught me a certain attitude towards other people.  Which attitude i have since rejected. 
Yep still attituding! Rwg on other's attitudes. Nothing here for me.
bon voyage

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-06 10:43:33 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:25:58 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:06:46 17121
Something for the attitude police to think about here:
[picture not informative here]


Well of course everybody gets to choose their own attitude ... absolutely !

There are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  
KEWL - then I won't expect to see your commenting on mine or anyone else's here or elsewhere.


but of course that does not follow.   i will become just as very aware of my own attitude and the attitude of people arond me as humanly possible.   and communicating about those those attitudes is part of that process of awareness.   hopefully you will understand the distinction between that and what you said.  if not, then we certainly can talk about it untill we understand each other.

This item is, in fact, a case in point.  It expresses my awareness that i grew up in a family which taught me a certain attitude towards other people.  Which attitude i have since rejected. 

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-06 10:43:33 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:25:58 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:06:46 17121
Something for the attitude police to think about here:
[picture not informative here]


Well of course everybody gets to choose their own attitude ... absolutely !

There are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  
KEWL - then I won't expect to see your commenting on mine or anyone else's here or elsewhere.


but of course that does not follow.   i will become just as very aware of my own attitude and the attitude of people around me as humanly possible.   and communicating about those those attitudes is part of that process of awareness.   hopefully you will understand the distinction between that and what you said.  if not, then we certainly can talk about it untill we understand each other.

This item is, in fact, a case in point.  It expresses my awareness that i grew up in a family which taught me a certain attitude towards other people.  Which attitude i have since rejected. 

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-06 11:02:29 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:58:56 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:43:33 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:25:58 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:06:46 17121
Something for the attitude police to think about here:
[picture not informative here]


Well of course everybody gets to choose their own attitude ... absolutely !

There are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  
KEWL - then I won't expect to see your commenting on mine or anyone else's here or elsewhere.


but of course that does not follow.   i will become just as very aware of my own attitude and the attitude of people around me as humanly possible.   and communicating about those those attitudes is part of that process of awareness.   hopefully you will understand the distinction between that and what you said.  if not, then we certainly can talk about it untill we understand each other.

This item is, in fact, a case in point.  It expresses my awareness that i grew up in a family which taught me a certain attitude towards other people.  Which attitude i have since rejected. 
Yep still attituding! Rwg on other's attitudes. Nothing here for me.
bon voyage

Give me a break here!  Obviously my attitude (my choice) and the attitudes of people i interact with (their choices) inform each other and interact.  For example:  your bolded blued almost perpetual attitude which your expressed by accusing me of rwg,  interacts with my own attitude and plauges how we can usefully communicate. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-06 12:32:39 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 11:02:29 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:58:56 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:43:33 17121
seth 2014-03-06 10:25:58 17121
Einai 2014-03-06 10:06:46 17121
Something for the attitude police to think about here:
[picture not informative here]


Well of course everybody gets to choose their own attitude ... absolutely !

There are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  <===

KEWL - then I won't expect to see your commenting on mine or anyone else's here or elsewhere.


but of course that does not follow.   i will become just as very aware of my own attitude and the attitude of people around me as humanly possible.   and communicating about those those attitudes is part of that process of awareness.   hopefully you will understand the distinction between that and what you said.  if not, then we certainly can talk about it untill we understand each other.

This item is, in fact, a case in point.  It expresses my awareness that i grew up in a family which taught me a certain attitude towards other people.  Which attitude i have since rejected. 
Yep still attituding! Rwg on other's attitudes. Nothing here for me.
bon voyage

Give me a break here!  Obviously my attitude (my choice) and the attitudes of people i interact with (their choices) inform each other and interact.  For example:  your bolded blued almost perpetual attitude which your expressed by accusing me of rwg,  interacts with my own attitude and plauges how we can usefully communicate. 


Seth says
source: mark

here are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  <===


... Let me put it this way.  I try to be aware of my private attitudes and the attitudes i show to others.  If you are going to interact with me, i am going to be quite aware of the attitudes you are showing to me.  If i am to interact with you, then i must necessarily interact with those attitudes. If those attitudes are not working to enhance our interactions, then you can expect me to talk about that.   Bear in mind that i obviously have not police powers to change your attitude ... nor if i did, would i use them.  The alternative is to walk away and/or ignore attitudes that conflict with my own ... not my choice for in-depth learning.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-06 14:28:04 17121
source: mark

here are no attitude police here ... your insinuations notwithstanding.  <===


... Let me put it this way.  I try to be aware of my private attitudes and the attitudes i show to others.  If you are going to interact with me, i am going to be quite aware of the attitudes you are showing to me.  If i am to interact with you, then i must necessarily interact with those attitudes. If those attitudes are not working to enhance our interactions, then you can expect me to talk about that.   Bear in mind that i obviously have not police powers to change your attitude ... nor if i did, would i use them.  The alternative is to walk away and/or ignore attitudes that conflict with my own ... not my choice for in-depth learning.
Maybe?  There are other ways; police being more a metaphor for the chip on one's shoulder about another's attitude observed since it was noticed that that word was being overworked.  [see also: item 17145]
.. anyway, bon voyage .. & good sailing


Mark de LA says
Discussion of this item will sidetrack 17262 & be deleted there or moved here at my whim. It is my belief that you have no real clue what the five points of fellowship are about nor what the loyalty thingy is & how making a distinction between them & us is necessary.
We don't have to rehash that here or there to proceed with the other thingy.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-07 13:25:16 17121
Einai 2014-04-07 12:53:49 17121
Discussion of this item will sidetrack 17262 & be deleted there or moved here at my whim. It is my belief that you have no real clue what the five points of fellowship are about nor what the loyalty thingy is & how making a distinction between them & us is necessary.
We don't have to rehash that here or there to proceed with the other thingy.

well my mention of it on 17262 was not really related to whatever it is that thelmite/troglodyte means to anybody ... but that is related to this in my mind ... almost just as a symbol.  What i am talking about over there is the whole alienation from our culture we picked up from the attitudes of the family.  that does relate to our social isolation.  that does relate to placing value is happening in the external world.

note that is not just GW and the order ... that is a thrust from a lot of the premises of spiritual science ... and even from new aged guruage.  i am not judging that for others.  but i have chosen value in the external over value in the internal ... time and again.  i seriously doubt that i will ever change my mind. 

bear in mind that external and internal (public and private) are directions with cordinates of my perceptions ... i expect that yours or RS's or PR's or GW's or d'A's have quite different coordinates than my own.
Yep, everybody's different - [cf: item 17199] - said again & again.

Seth says
it is also interesting to note that behavioral psychology totally denies even the existence of a internal mind.  for them it is mere confusion.   that is almost symmetrically opposite to how some spiritual sects say the firmament is the illusion.  

Seth says
Einai 2014-04-07 12:53:49 17121
Discussion of this item will sidetrack 17262 & be deleted there or moved here at my whim. It is my belief that you have no real clue what the five points of fellowship are about nor what the loyalty thingy is & how making a distinction between them & us is necessary.
We don't have to rehash that here or there to proceed with the other thingy.

well my mention of it on 17262 was not really related to whatever it is that thelmite/troglodyte means to anybody ... but that is related to this in my mind ... almost just as a symbol.  What i am talking about over there is the whole alienation from our culture we picked up from the attitudes of the family.  that does relate to our social isolation.  that does relate to placing value is happening in the external world.

note that is not just GW and the order ... that is a thrust from a lot of the premises of spiritual science ... and even from new aged guruage.  i am not judging that for others.  but i have chosen value in the external over value in the internal ... time and again.  i seriously doubt that i will ever change my mind. 

bear in mind that external and internal (public and private) are directions with cordinates of my perceptions ... i expect that yours or RS's or PR's or GW's or d'A's have quite different coordinates than my own.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-07 14:32:46 17121
Einai 2014-04-07 13:46:32 17121
seth 2014-04-07 13:34:22 17121
it is also interesting to note that behavioral psychology totally denies even the existence of a internal mind.  for them it is mere confusion.   that is almost symmetrically opposite to how some spiritual sects say the firmament is the illusion.  
I'd like to see a reference on that. I doubt it. Freud - id, superego & ego seem at least to be a triad.


that is not from Freud ... that is from the behaviorism of  B.F. Skinner, who would have said Freud was full of shit.  bear in mind that i am not defending that view ... just pointing it out as an extreme.  trust me behavioral science does not recognize the inside man ... or rather they would say it is irrelevant to anything whatsoever. 

source: this article found from google of  "behaviorism mind inside"

"With the advent of behaviorism in 1913 the mind-body problem disappeared �" not because ostrich-like its devotees hid their heads in the sand but because they would take no account of phenomena which they could not observe. The behaviorist finds no mind in his laboratory �" sees it nowhere in his subjects. Would he not be unscientific if he lingered by the wayside and idly speculated upon it; just as unscientific as the biologists would be if they lingered over the contemplation of entelechies, engrams and the like.

...

If the behaviorists are right in their contention that there is no observable mind-body problem and no observable separate entity called mind �" then there can be no such thing as consciousness and its subdivision. Freud's concept borrowed from somatic pathology breaks down. There can be no festering spot in the substratum of the mind �" in the unconscious �"because there is no mind.

...

And, again, bear in mind that i do not subscribe to this view ... i am merely point it out as an extreme.

Yeah, a kind of strawman for nobody here !

Mark de LA says
One would expect that some 50+ years later after running away from home, the social effects would have dissipated to moot.  I suspect something else is going on there.


Seth says
Einai 2014-04-07 13:46:32 17121
seth 2014-04-07 13:34:22 17121
it is also interesting to note that behavioral psychology totally denies even the existence of a internal mind.  for them it is mere confusion.   that is almost symmetrically opposite to how some spiritual sects say the firmament is the illusion.  
I'd like to see a reference on that. I doubt it. Freud - id, superego & ego seem at least to be a triad.


that is not from Freud ... that is from the behaviorism of  B.F. Skinner, who would have said Freud was full of shit.  bear in mind that i am not defending that view ... just pointing it out as an extreme.  trust me behavioral science does not recognize the inside man ... or rather they would say it is irrelevant to anything whatsoever. 

source: this article found from google of  "behaviorism mind inside"

"With the advent of behaviorism in 1913 the mind-body problem disappeared — not because ostrich-like its devotees hid their heads in the sand but because they would take no account of phenomena which they could not observe. The behaviorist finds no mind in his laboratory — sees it nowhere in his subjects. Would he not be unscientific if he lingered by the wayside and idly speculated upon it; just as unscientific as the biologists would be if they lingered over the contemplation of entelechies, engrams and the like.

...

If the behaviorists are right in their contention that there is no observable mind-body problem and no observable separate entity called mind — then there can be no such thing as consciousness and its subdivision. Freud's concept borrowed from somatic pathology breaks down. There can be no festering spot in the substratum of the mind — in the unconscious —because there is no mind.

...

And, again, bear in mind that i do not subscribe to this view ... i am merely point it out as an extreme.


Seth says
i am just saying that thinking the firmament is an illusion and the spirit is all there really is .... is the opposite of thinking spirit and mind are an illusion and all there is is the firmament.   same predicament ... different gestalts ... different Satori's.

Seth says
incidentally another way to delineate this particular polarity is
 view direction
 subjective  objective


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-07 16:19:21 17121
Einai 2014-04-07 15:49:56 17121
seth 2014-04-07 14:45:46 17121
i am just saying that thinking the firmament is an illusion and the spirit is all there really is .... is the opposite of thinking spirit and mind are an illusion and all there is is the firmament.   same predicament ... different gestalts ... different Satori's.
& who believes either of these steamers?  couple more strawmen, eh?
<<==>>

your kind of missing the point in a very shitty way.

it is not that anybody in particular believes either extremes .... it is that these two extreams deliate a spectrum of belief.  one points themselves in one direction ... or one points themselves in the other .... or perhapts one even spins around time and again to both ... or maybe one does not even ackowledge those differences are even related to one's life.  in my case they are.  in your case, well you speak for yourself.
I'm not sure we are going to have enough time to consider strawmen who have no substance, extremes that nobody believes in & posts that have no persuasive intent & words like deliate that have no meaning.  But, then this is your item & you can enjoy whatever on it.  Maybe put some ketchup on that steamer & test the theory that it changes the turds into, say, steaming hot sausage links.


Seth says
Einai 2014-04-07 15:49:56 17121
seth 2014-04-07 14:45:46 17121
i am just saying that thinking the firmament is an illusion and the spirit is all there really is .... is the opposite of thinking spirit and mind are an illusion and all there is is the firmament.   same predicament ... different gestalts ... different Satori's.
& who believes either of these steamers?  couple more strawmen, eh?
<<==>>

your kind of missing the point in a very shitty way.

it is not that anybody in particular believes either extremes .... it is that these two extreams deliate a spectrum of belief.  one points themselves in one direction ... or one points themselves in the other .... or perhapts one even spins around time and again to both ... or maybe one does not even ackowledge those differences are even related to one's life.  in my case they are.  in your case, well you speak for yourself.

Seth says
source: mark
I'm not sure we are going to have enough time to consider strawmen who have no substance, extremes that nobody believes in & posts that have no persuasive intent & words like deliate that have no meaning.  But, then this is your item & you can enjoy whatever on it.  Maybe put some ketchup on that steamer & test the theory that it changes the turds into, say, steaming hot sausage links.

... oh sorry for misspelling "delineate".

I also would like to note just how very subjective your response was.  Yet what i am saying is not about you in particular or me in particular ... it is about the viewpoints in and of themselves .... nevertheless you turned the topic around to being about me.  funny, that, eh?

This whole thing you have about interest being about how a thingey is related to your ego ... how we necessarily must perceive how a thingy effects self .... that is being subjective ... at least that is the way it looks to me.   did you ever consider that might mostly be just you?

You're probably not even going to parse this so what the hell i'll say it anyway ...

Have you ever noticed that i am uniquely disinterested in whether you are interested in something or not?  In fact whenever you do one of your famous "i lost interest" statements i always go ... "so what ... why tell me?".  Why?  Well just because those things are totally all about you ... not things that i will ever share ... not things that will ever come over here on this side of the mobius strip.  But you tell me because you think it will hurt me.  You think i am so very engrossed in my thought here that if you loose interest that it will destroy them for me.  funny that shit, eh?

Seth says
Einai 2014-04-07 17:55:02 17121
Yep the thingy just keeps on giving .. Again why would I want to speak into a listening that doesn't give a shit.


And where in hell did you twist something that i said into the idea that i don't give a shit?

Now I don't give a shit whether you are interested or not ... was that what you mean?  That is really just your business.  I assume that you will ignore whartever i do that does not interest you ... just exactly like i ignore your shit that does not interest me.  So yes, don't tell me about that ... because no i don't give a shit about it.  However, i care very deeply about many many things ... even you. 



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