Werner Erhard on a Breakthrough

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Werner uses the term Breakthrough for major & minor epiphanies &
context shifts.

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Mark de LA says
Then of course there is Pink Floyd's The Wall one of my all time favorites or"
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Mark de LA says
Duality reminds me of a joke the old man told about the gods noticing that the human they had created was getting too big for his britches rivaling God himself in power & arrogance - so being jealous at the time God invented sex dividing man into two kinds men & women. Ever since then the two have been chasing each other too busy with sex to rival the gods anymore.


Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-03-09 07:44:10 17153
An Ego creates duality as well as the pain of separateness. The Ego also personalizes experience & creates an interest in that which is outside itself; whatever that is - boundaries being somewhat arbitrary at times. The boundary is a wall in a sense. Without the wall there is nothing to protect. Everything IS! Well, there also are other Egos & many dualities. Most of them prefer themselves to what is not themselves - such is what an Ego does naturally. A cooperative dynamic balance between all of the Egos would seem wonderful. Can such be created out of nothing?


Seth says
Einai 2014-03-09 07:46:00 17153
Einai 2014-03-09 07:44:10 17153
An Ego creates duality as well as the pain of separateness. The Ego also personalizes experience & creates an interest in that which is outside itself; whatever that is - boundaries being somewhat arbitrary at times. The boundary is a wall in a sense. Without the wall there is nothing to protect. Everything IS! Well, there also are other Egos & many dualities. Most of them prefer themselves to what is not themselves - such is what an Ego does naturally. A cooperative dynamic balance between all of the Egos would seem wonderful. Can such be created out of nothing?


Try this ... suspend for a moment your usual always listening patterns ... are they suspended? ... ok ... now consider that perhaps "duality creates ego" ... not the other way around, the way you said it, "ego creates duality".  Just a change of focus ... outside of that your thoughts here hang together just as well for me. 

In other words, look at facts which cannot honestly be denied: we are each of us individual beings ... we function as separate individuals,  what you know and experience is NOT the same as what i know and experience.  We are not like the Borg or an ant colony.   I am just saying that these Ego thingies spring naturally from that predicament, not the other way around.

Incidentally i have no idea what specifically mean when you ask, "Can such be created out of nothing?" ... what does such refer to?  I mean if your asking how anything at all is happening ... well, er, i have nothing to say as i am just as very amazed as are you.  But if you are asking are our egos created out of nothing, then i would say they are created by the consequences of us being individual separate beings where what you know, experience, and do; is not the same as what i know, experience, and do. 

... anyway, try it out, and could you let me know,  specifically how it hits you?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-09 09:39:20 17153
Einai 2014-03-09 07:50:18 17153
Duality reminds me of a joke the old man told about the gods noticing that the human they had created was getting too big for his britches rivaling God himself in power & arrogance - so being jealous at the time God invented sex dividing man into two kinds men & women. Ever since then the two have been chasing each other too busy with sex to rival the gods anymore.

yeah funny .

I am just real unclear about what you refer to as "duality".  Trust me, many different people use that concept to refer to all kinds of different things.  What specifically are you using it to refer to?
2-ness. You & everything else at the start.

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-09 09:43:02 17153
seth 2014-03-09 09:39:20 17153
Einai 2014-03-09 07:50:18 17153
Duality reminds me of a joke the old man told about the gods noticing that the human they had created was getting too big for his britches rivaling God himself in power & arrogance - so being jealous at the time God invented sex dividing man into two kinds men & women. Ever since then the two have been chasing each other too busy with sex to rival the gods anymore.

yeah funny .

I am just real unclear about what you refer to as "duality".  Trust me, many different people use that concept to refer to all kinds of different things.  What specifically are you using it to refer to?
2-ness. You & everything else at the start.

ok, then the same thing we have been talking about as walled garden.

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-03-09 09:43:02 17153
seth 2014-03-09 09:39:20 17153
Einai 2014-03-09 07:50:18 17153
Duality reminds me of a joke the old man told about the gods noticing that the human they had created was getting too big for his britches rivaling God himself in power & arrogance - so being jealous at the time God invented sex dividing man into two kinds men & women. Ever since then the two have been chasing each other too busy with sex to rival the gods anymore.

yeah funny .

I am just real unclear about what you refer to as "duality".  Trust me, many different people use that concept to refer to all kinds of different things.  What specifically are you using it to refer to?
2-ness. You & everything else at the start.
Do thou likewise for what I said. The Universe was ONE (1) before we arrived. Can't go there it is all phenomena until something arrives & says there is a me & something not me ... then the World shows up as you describe, maybe.


Seth says
Einai 2014-03-09 09:50:50 17153
Einai 2014-03-09 09:43:02 17153
seth 2014-03-09 09:39:20 17153
Einai 2014-03-09 07:50:18 17153
Duality reminds me of a joke the old man told about the gods noticing that the human they had created was getting too big for his britches rivaling God himself in power & arrogance - so being jealous at the time God invented sex dividing man into two kinds men & women. Ever since then the two have been chasing each other too busy with sex to rival the gods anymore.

yeah funny .

I am just real unclear about what you refer to as "duality".  Trust me, many different people use that concept to refer to all kinds of different things.  What specifically are you using it to refer to?
2-ness. You & everything else at the start.
Do thou likewise for what I said. The Universe was ONE (1) before we arrived. Can't go there it is all phenomena until something arrives & says there is a me & something not me ... then the World shows up as you describe, maybe.


Well i must acknowledge that i got a flash when i read your "the universe was ONE before i arrived" ... funny that sentence but still and all true .

But anyway i think we are talking about the same thing with the term "duality" ... as you say it, "You & everything else" ... and when considering that which separates those two as "the walled garden". 

I think you think that separation is a mere mental thing that can we gestalted away.  I think what can be gestalted away is some of the consequences of that separation ... but the fact of the separation is just as real as the sun coming up in the morning.