The Ontology of Blame

The other idea I woke up with AM was what would it be like if I removed blame from my ontology?  The idea finally mapped into the Yi King hexagram #7 boowhang but didn't start there.
In summary blame is simply putting responsibility for what happens in one's life on something besides oneself .  It projects outward the cause of circumstances. It removes one's own responsibility from the picture. It is at the heart of the RWG. It may indeed be responsible for modern politics.

.. & finally, be it noted, in the internal dialog I seem constantly to be blaming karma, God, upbringing or something else for any particular situation that I don't like but find myself in.
There may be a portal out of here.

Also what showed up was d'A mood & demeanor of positivity directing LOA etc. as a possible answer to the first question.
From the Visual Thesaurus here is a picture of the domain:

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  1. item 17168
  2. blame
  3. judgement
  4. blame game

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Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-14 10:52:56 17168
Einai 2014-03-14 09:41:57 17168
seth 2014-03-14 09:16:28 17168
Einai 2014-03-14 07:36:58 17168
seth 2014-03-14 05:52:36 17168
Very interesting indeed.  Credit and blame are in my ontology.  I can't conceive of how otherness exists without them.  Now i certainly can ignore and become oblivious to who does what, for in fact in most cases it really does not matter to me.  I do prefer the synchronicity with the universe that attitude entails ... it feels quite good.  Yet there are some paradoxes for me in supposing that i can always keep that attitude.  I went into these at some depth in my "Declaration Of My Personal Independence" ... and won't bore you with them here again.
Yeah, I don't quite know what it has to do with here.  Maybe there is something - maybe not.


Well certainly it has to do with your idea here.  Just compare your first sentence, "The other idea I woke up with AM was what would it be like if I removed blame from my ontology? " to my second sentence, "Credit and blame are in my ontology".  So i am comparing the way you are contemplating being to the way i am contemplating being and pointing out that they are almost opposite.  Bear in mind that i am not claiming that mine is right or good or true ... and yours the opposite ... no, not at all.  Rather i am, more or less sharing my train of being in relationship to that with you, hoping perhaps that you will inform it.  Like i said, that Declaration was a work in progress. 

Incidentally, this is not just a  Seth/Mark thing for me, rather it is a Seth/Others &/or Seth/Society relationship that it seems i have been working on all of my life.  Sometimes i feel like getting that relationship right is substantially what I (Seth, Sum, Vidar, Bozo, Faust) am really all about.  That I hear you are thinking in the same area about yourself suggests to me that some honest communication in that particular area may be useful.
Mine was rooted in the idea that putting blame outside is counter-productive & escapable maybe. How is that opposite from yours specifically? 


Considering blame/credit to be always inside (or always outside for that matter) is almost opposite to thinking it is sometimes inside and sometimes outside.   For me it is really a matter of discovering the particular source of the deed.  If you jam your finger in my nostril, you are the source of that deed ... it did not come from inside me (sorry to keep using that example, but it is such a beautiful one).  If i take credit for your deed, then me thinks i am not only lying to myself ... but also making a mockery of my taking responsibility for the time i punch you in the nose.  This really does come down to me respecting your otherness.  If i take credit for your deeds, i certainly am not respecting that freedom of action you have, that i find so important for myself.

Now that said, I totally agree, it is not necessary and even contra-productive for me to judge and accuse you of misdeeds.  "Judge not least ye be judged", expressed that better than i ever will.  But that rubric does not prescribe being unaware and/or oblivious to sources of deeds.  Me thinks that where the sources of deeds becomes irrelevant, then so does the very freedom of living my life.  You may have noticed that for the LOA philosophy of never placing blame and credit outside, needs the idea of your universe going inevitably in the right direction to even work.  I think it actually robs me of my chosen freedom ... rendering it quite irrelevant.
Maybe you should take credit for moving your nose in the trajectory of my giving you the finger simultaneously & blame yourself for the arrogance that I was saluting with my finger at the time which, probably to this day you do not acknowledge.
The rest should probably be moved to your declaration because my freedom just says I can't relate to it in the context & attitude I sired this item for. Such can be moot if you persist.


Mark de LA says
  •     Strange idea that blame exists free of someone to make it.
  •    Anyway, I am assuming this item is an ontological context for anyone who chooses to blame.

Mark de LA says
2014-03-14 10:54:28 17168
Quite silly since the founders were talking about the colonies & a potential country & you are talking about yourself. Most of what you talk about can be subsumed under the US Constitution & the Bill of Rights to exist already.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-14 12:52:50 17168
Einai 2014-03-14 11:30:35 17168
  •     Strange idea that blame exists free of someone to make it.
  •    Anyway, I am assuming this item is an ontological context for anyone who chooses to blame.

Maybe i got confused here ...

I actually think it is best to parse actions down and separate the analysis of who did a deed from any judgement of whether the deed should have been done or not.  I gather now you are talking about the latter.  In which case i absolutely agree.  Judging somebody else wrong because they did a bad act is an activity best omitted.  It is not really worth the pain it creates and can be quite contra-productive.

But knowing quite clearly who did what and not getting confused about that is, me thinks, just part of being aware.
The deed is just a deed, it just is - without the charge of interpretation & the RWG it does not exist outside of a person as more than an encounter. LOL with that, though.  This stuff is far outside of the ontology of blame topic.
I'm just talking about an ontology where blame is shoved into the background.  Can one such as d'A actually live in a Mary Poppins world?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-14 12:37:50 17168
Einai 2014-03-14 11:56:03 17168
seth 2014-03-14 11:36:23 17168
Fyi, this subject has been studied under the term "psychological attribution theory" ...  see Attribution_(psychology) for a traditional academic treatment.   I think attribution is a necessary part of getting meaning from natural language ... and that was where i first encountered it.  Now whether these attributions are best discarded internally is, me thinks, the question at hand.
  • No truth - no blame either except in the minds of the beholders.
  • Word salad at best - officious pedantry at the least.
i have no idea what you are saying here or what your noun phrases are referring to.

Are you saying that:  blame is in the eye of the beholder?   If so, then i agree absolutely. 
Then there is no external blame, is there ?  It all belongs to the beholder, duh?


Seth says
Einai 2014-03-14 12:41:54 17168
seth 2014-03-14 12:37:50 17168
Einai 2014-03-14 11:56:03 17168
seth 2014-03-14 11:36:23 17168
Fyi, this subject has been studied under the term "psychological attribution theory" ...  see Attribution_(psychology) for a traditional academic treatment.   I think attribution is a necessary part of getting meaning from natural language ... and that was where i first encountered it.  Now whether these attributions are best discarded internally is, me thinks, the question at hand.
  • No truth - no blame either except in the minds of the beholders.
  • Word salad at best - officious pedantry at the least.
i have no idea what you are saying here or what your noun phrases are referring to.

Are you saying that:  blame is in the eye of the beholder?   If so, then i agree absolutely. 
Then there is no external blame, is there ?  It all belongs to the beholder, duh?


yep i think we are quite in agreement there.

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-14 11:30:35 17168
  •     Strange idea that blame exists free of someone to make it.
  •    Anyway, I am assuming this item is an ontological context for anyone who chooses to blame.

Maybe i got confused here ...

I actually think it is best to parse actions down and separate the analysis of who did a deed from any judgement of whether the deed should have been done or not.  I gather now you are talking about the latter.  In which case i absolutely agree.  Judging somebody else wrong because they did a bad act is an activity best omitted.  It is not really worth the pain it creates and can be quite contra-productive.

But knowing quite clearly who did what and not getting confused about that is, me thinks, just part of being aware.

Mark de LA says
In the visual thesaurus one can click on the antonym & get a look at the domain for the other side for example they say the opposite of blame is absolve as a verb. Not too helpful in this case if you are looking for the noun absolution.  Maybe I should be looking for the words right & wrong ...

Mark de LA says
The visual thesaurus in interesting in that it produces the context for nouns, verbs, adverbs etc . & their antonyms i.e. the words in whole context.

 

Mark de LA says
See also 3211 from this date - 8 years ago.

Seth says
Einai 2014-04-04 10:43:36 17168
An adversarial relationship as in the law could shift to one of giving being to solution & transformation if BLAME were left behind, meh?
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Holmes says
seth 2016-01-17 20:22:39 [item 17168#42536]
Mark  defines  blame as “projecting outward the cause of circumstances.”

Now if we assume blame is something bad,  i tend to agree, projecting bad blame to something outside oneself is just kind of stupid.  In fact projecting to to something inside is not much better. 

But the good side of “blame” is called “credit”.  Me thinks crediting all circumstances to yourself is also stupid.  That would presume that you are omnipotent. 

I think noticing the cause of events and circumstances is an important part of our awareness.  I see no reasons to introduce any prejudices at all into those judgments.


 
No matter how many times I read it, I just don’t get your hang on that word omnipotent. I don’t see how that matters. Sure, you create your reality and in total. In that one little sense, you are omnipotent. But what of it? You are here in a sea of vibration utilizing your belief structure to create your reality in concert with all that you are receiving from your vibrational connection to other unique realities. That you are omnipotent in your own verse is hardly of meaning in that environment. One would have to have no beliefs, and no vibrational input, to be omnipotent in a “god like” way … and we are not.

Another way of looking at it is the author of a book. That author is omnipotent in that he/she can write anything … but an author generally does not. An author “writes in character” and only takes a few liberties outside of that if any. If they don’t, it would not be a very interesting book to read. Our lives are like that. We can do anything … what we actually do is “in character”. The beauty of knowing that we can do anything is that it allows us to adjust our character bit by bit where we desire to. Without knowing that is possible, then we can and do become victims and other undesirable things “happen to” us instead of us writing our story, in character, that we came here to write.

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