sequence of encounter


I am trying to put this sequence into a larger context ... showing how it interacts with what is external to it.  For brevity i will call everything in PR's sequence of encounter, just "sequence".   So what we have is something like the following ...

world --> sequence --> world+change --> sequence+change -->world+change+change -->  ... etc, etc, etc

The point is that as I act with and/or against the world, it changes, and I change, and those changes feed back into subsequent interactions.  PR's analysis of my internal being gives me a very partial model of what is happening.  The part that is interesting to me is outside of his analysis.

Incidentally LOA has a similar model, which d'A recently illustrated ... i don't remember if it also excluded the outside world feedback.  Sorry i can't find it at the moment.

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Seth says
Einai 2014-03-21 13:51:53 17200
seth 2014-03-21 12:51:11 17200
Einai 2014-03-21 11:44:39 17200
Maybe this is a model of the thingy


perhaps, but i see no evidence that it is a closed loop.  I think it is more open like a fractal tree.
Maybe go back & study RELATIONSHIP A<==>B type stuff.


Actually i am pretty aware of directed and/or reciprocal relationships.  And it still seems to me that there is no evidance that these relationships (-> and/or <->) will form a closed topology. 

Incidentally in pysics when one body exerts a force on another body there is an equal and opposite force exerted on it (Newton's Third Law of Motion). This also applies to psychology.  But in psychology the reaction force is not usually equal ... but in fact is most usually quite different. 

Then too we have the practice some people do of reflecting a psychological force back to the person instigating it on them.  That too will change the topology in the local area in which it happens.

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-21 08:41:27 17200
The last part of the letter PR wrote , included in the link comments, explains it in ontological terms & gives a punchline about the relationship between you & the outside world.


Well by that i think you mean this ...
source: PR [substitutions my own]

How to sum it up? Let's see. The most important parts are: there is whatever is [otherness], and then we somehow encounter it. In this encounter we turn what is [otherness] into something we can be aware of and then into something that means something to us personally. We react to this personal meaning, but we are not actually reacting to or knowing what the thing is for itself.

Now here's the good part: When we become aware to any degree of something for itself --before judgment, reaction, etc.-- our relationship to it is more accurate, more appropriate, and more REAL.
... To which i agree .  

But that still and all is just about me !!.  It is oblivious to what happens in the world.  And more importantly is is oblivious to how the changes i cause in the world feed back to effect me.

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-03-21 11:08:07 17200
seth 2014-03-21 11:01:56 17200
Einai 2014-03-21 08:41:27 17200
The last part of the letter PR wrote , included in the link comments, explains it in ontological terms & gives a punchline about the relationship between you & the outside world.


Well by that i think you mean this ...
source: PR [substitutions my own]

How to sum it up? Let's see. The most important parts are: there is whatever is [otherness], and then we somehow encounter it. In this encounter we turn what is [otherness] into something we can be aware of and then into something that means something to us personally. We react to this personal meaning, but we are not actually reacting to or knowing what the thing is for itself.

Now here's the good part: When we become aware to any degree of something for itself --before judgment, reaction, etc.-- our relationship to it is more accurate, more appropriate, and more REAL.
... To which i agree .  

But that still and all is just about me !!.  It is oblivious to what happens in the world.  And more importantly is is oblivious to how the changes i cause in the world feed back to effect me.
Yeah - maybe focus on the word RELATIONSHIP, eh? (that's the arrown thingy)
Although with PR it is a 2-way arrow! Read the references in The Art of Effortless Power for clues.

Seth says
Einai 2014-03-21 11:28:49 17200
Basically it always ends up as cause -> effect -> effect -> effect ........> ∞ or until the chain breaks with another priority cause. Nested loops abound.


Yes.  but let's not generalize out the most important features ... er, where the effect happens and what is responsible for it.   I think my analysis above gets us closer to those important edges that obtain ...
world --> sequence --> world+change --> sequence+change -->world+change+change -->  ... etc, etc, etc
...

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-21 14:26:14 17200
Einai 2014-03-21 13:51:53 17200
seth 2014-03-21 12:51:11 17200
Einai 2014-03-21 11:44:39 17200
Maybe this is a model of the thingy


perhaps, but i see no evidence that it is a closed loop.  I think it is more open like a fractal tree.
Maybe go back & study RELATIONSHIP A<==>B type stuff.


Actually i am pretty aware of directed and/or reciprocal relationships.  And it still seems to me that there is no evidance that these relationships (-> and/or <->) will form a closed topology. 

Incidentally in pysics when one body exerts a force on another body there is an equal and opposite force exerted on it (Newton's Third Law of Motion). This also applies to psychology.  But in psychology the reaction force is not usually equal ... but in fact is most usually quite different. 

Then too we have the practice some people do of reflecting a psychological force back to the person instigating it on them.  That too will change the topology in the local area in which it happens.
Still arguing words instead of substance; probably didn't read any of the referenced PR material. It is OK with me but the point will indeed be missed. None of your lecturing intellectualing will lead to reality - only concepts at best. Direct experience doesn't need the words, BTW.
Adios! Lost interest.


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