An interesting snipped of dialogue that i wish to remember ...

About: dilemma #? of bozo


hmmm ... well said, gentelmen ... er, even if i do say so myself

seth 2014-03-21 10:13:20 17199
Einai 2014-03-21 09:00:13 17199

To grasp your own Ego you need to identify what is NOT YOU (otherness? seems to be something that impresses you)
NLP holds such as a sorting meta-program for sameness or difference.
You seem to go for the difference part with me almost in a polaric response.
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When you take a shit in the morning and roll that log at or after the final unk do you get the feeling that it is not you or not?
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I am more the other way with the sorting algorithm in that (except with you) I look for sameness & build my Ego with the things that are the same with me & that I like.
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Of course there are mixtures in the meta-programs with sameness primary & difference secondary etc. And there are extremes of the poles themselves always a miss matcher & always a sameness seeker.


Well yes, grasping my ego is also recognizing what I am not.  As you observe, that is what i call "otherness". 

When i take a shit, the shit is no longer me, but i still am responsible for it.  I don't think anybody is going to appreciate me putting my shit on their doorstep.  The same goes for what i say.  Once said, the saying effects what i am not ... just like the shit, that effect is no longer me ... i still recognize a partial responsibility for it ... yet now that responsibility is shared, because it is now on the doorstep of somebody else ... whom i am not responsible for.   

It is interesting to appreciate that what is not me, what is otherness to me, is not a thing that i should presume to know.  Obviously i find much in that otherness to what is "with me & that I like" ... that usually feels rather good.  But i really can not presume that is so very much the same outside me as it is inside me.  I think with that kind of presumption I could fall into grave error ... and, in fact, have experienced that grave error ... not only when i find myself doing it ... but also when i find other people doing it to me.  That is why i respect otherness ... not because i glory in separating myself from it ... but because quite honestly i do not know what the fuck it is.  The only way i find out what it is, is by interacting with it.   And that is how i discover the sameness that you seem to love so much.

source: mark
The symbol in the item body expresses the dilemma that while wanting to be accepted or appreciated or fully expressed you are still working with people who are not you who may not appreciate your distinction of how to treat otherness (in this case being you) .

Well yes, the picture represents not-me and is the same thing i refer to as "otherness".  Now, I am responsible for myself, please see The Declaration Of My Personal Independence.  I am not responsible for that which is not me.  Consequently how i am accepted or appreciated or understood by others is not-me.  I am only partially responsible for it ... see shit above.  I guess that is why you call it "my dilemma" ... well ok, i am quite happy to think of it as such .


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Seth says
MR 2014-03-22 11:52:10 17206
seth 2014-03-22 11:26:19 17206
MR 2014-03-22 10:41:21 17206
Removing context to focus on your stuff is communication ??????????????


in this case not so much wanting to communicate with you, rather wanting to be remember my thoughts above.  i re-read that passage this morning and still thought that it hit the nail on the head of something that i have been wanting to say.  Thanks for provoking me with your question about "when i take a shit in the morning".  The shit is not me.  Yet i have a special relationship to it.  And so too the relationship of what i do to the world in it's regard.  That was why i remembered the thought here out of context of your item ... it had nothing to do with fighting with you.  Do your realize that now?
nope! still doing it. "I'm not so much wanting to communicate with you" and all. Make it private then, eh?


huh?  You really do need to accept the fact that i talk here in my blog, not only to you, but also to the rest of the world should they ever notice, and i also i use it to organize and remember the congtinuity of my own thoughts.  I do that all in public by specific design and intent.  This new kind of request i am getting from you to make something private gets a tilt over here ... and i assure you that i will never honor such a request. 

Carly Simon said it better than i ever could ...

Seth says
or, more precisely let me put it this way.   the only thing this had to do with you was that your opposition to me provoked me to think it ... and hence say it to you over on 17199.  don't know that you noticed, but i actually thanked you for that ... the analogy of taking a shit in the morning was a good one indeed.

Seth says
MR 2014-03-22 12:30:54 17206
Yeah it had nothing to do with fighting, eh & your snide comment about not wanting to communicate with me is a purely neutral statement etc.   Sometimes I think you delude yourself. In any case regardless I will comment on anything I see as fit - out of context or not!



hey, comment as you see fit ... i almost never have a problem with that .

incidentally i did not say i did "not want to communicate with you".  rather i said "I talk here in my blog, not only to you". 

Mark de LA says
KEWL! I'm done with this fragment

Mark de LA says
I like time-expiring things: people, thoughts, concepts, books & shit on the Internet.  Such temporary or transient things encourages one act to find the transcendental.


Seth says
MR 2014-03-23 16:14:39 17206
seth 2014-03-23 15:21:57 17206
me thinks your funny mark ... unless i am confused about finding old posts here and on facebook ... i do believe you deleted one on the more interesting discussions that we have had ... you know, the one in which you invented "rwp" ... the one about the story of the Kline bottle.  
oh well .  did you get angry or something?  or did facebook fuck up and just forget that it happened?
It gave being to too much RWG.  I felt elated & excited when I first discovered the short story. After the post on fb I felt terribly sad & unhappy & alone. So I got rid of it there.  I still have the original trigger here on fbi & am going to let it rest a while. If you got anything out of it that you can give being to then go make your own posts there.


well i can imagine the sadness .    The interesting thing that i had thought was happening there, was playing point-counter-point without the anger part ... i had thought that was what you were refering to as "rwp" ... or right-wrong-play.  i had thought that might have been what we were doing, but then we weren't ... yes, how sad .

Anyway the Klein bottle is interesting ... a way existed to travel and end up in the other person's mind ... or that at least is what i got out of your posting of it.   But you never did describe in detail what it meant to you ... what got you elated and excited about the story? 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-03-24 20:02:20 17206
MR 2014-03-24 07:26:30 17206
I like time-expiring things: people, thoughts, concepts, books & shit on the Internet.  Such temporary or transient things encourages one act to find the transcendental.


i like temporary things which you have to be there in a now to experience too ... especially surprising ones !!

what does "find the transcendental" mean?

i also like the play of context on context.  difficult to get that without memory.  then too there is how context plays on context and gets better and better ... that is especially kewl ... i like that the best.
Maybe I used the wrong words .  I was thinking temporary or transient versus permanent &/or eternal.
my bad...

Seth says
MR 2014-03-24 07:26:30 17206
I like time-expiring things: people, thoughts, concepts, books & shit on the Internet.  Such temporary or transient things encourages one act to find the transcendental.


i like temporary things which you have to be there in a now to experience too ... especially surprising ones !!

what does "find the transcendental" mean?

i also like the play of context on context.  difficult to get that without memory.  then too there is how context plays on context and gets better and better ... that is especially kewl ... i like that the best.

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