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making things public an switching them to private while they are active will yield strange results and feelings here at fastblogit

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Seth says
or easier ... just do it again ... more clearly ... here i will spend some time now to see if we can do this better:

seth: [as site administrator] making things public an switching them to private while they are active will yield strange results and feelings here at fastblogit

mark: so does the pervasive huh? & the rwg

seth (after further thought):  Well yes rwg has the same effect ... that is it has the same fairly useless effect. 

seth: when i say "huh?",  it just means that i have a total disconnect with what you have said or even mean.  usually i try to ask a question that will help me guess what you mean and/or what your agenda is.  sometimes i don't ... i will try to do better in that regard.

mark: The anti-huh? is simply I can't elaborate since I don't know what in the infinity of infinities you don't understand since it is usually perfectly clear to me when I write what I mean.


seth:  well i like your "anti-huh", missed that the first time.  Yeah kind of a chicken and egg problem here ... i don't know what you mean ... you don't know why.  I think the anti-huh is just for me to ask the best question that i can to provoke you into discolosing what is missing. 

seth:  So what more is there to say or hear here?

Mark de LA says
so does the pervasive huh? & the rwg

Mark de LA says
The anti-huh? is simply I can't elaborate since I don't know what in the infinity of infinities you don't understand since it is usually perfectly clear to me when I write what I mean.


Seth says
well just between you and me ... i have a big problem with understanding what you do mean.  its always a guessing game ... and frequently i guess wrong.  then too its the content meaning and the dialogue meaning ... both need to be guessed.  that is one reason i use so many words ... to narrow it down for you.  you, on the other hand, seem to want to write the fewest possible ... putting the guessing all on me.  so that is fun and all ... but prone to error.

Seth says
seth 2014-04-03 09:43:17 17247

well just between you and me ... i have a big problem with understanding what you do mean.  its always a guessing game ... and frequently i guess wrong.  then too its the content meaning and the dialogue meaning ... both need to be guessed.  that is one reason i use so many words ... to narrow it down for you.  you, on the other hand, seem to want to write the fewest possible ... putting the guessing all on me.  so that is fun and all ... but prone to error.

Still in all , I can't guess what you don't understand including, why you apparently missed that point just stated above. The Internet is profoundly full of excess words.



Seth says
ME 2014-04-03 09:48:06 17247
seth 2014-04-03 09:43:17 17247

well just between you and me ... i have a big problem with understanding what you do mean.  its always a guessing game ... and frequently i guess wrong.  then too its the content meaning and the dialogue meaning ... both need to be guessed.  that is one reason i use so many words ... to narrow it down for you.  you, on the other hand, seem to want to write the fewest possible ... putting the guessing all on me.  so that is fun and all ... but prone to error.

Still in all , I can't guess what you don't understand including, why you apparently missed that point just stated above. The Internet is profoundly full of excess words.


well when i don't understand something i call myself asking and including in my question as much of what i do understand as time and effort permits ... do you not hear my questions?

Here actually is a case in point ... what point did i miss above? ... hmmm let me to spend some time here to see if i can guess .... be back when i think i may have figured it out ... ... ok your missed point must have bee in this ...
source: mark above
The anti-huh? is simply I can't elaborate since I don't know what in the infinity of infinities you don't understand since it is usually perfectly clear to me when I write what I mean.
... wow, i had thought that i had totally got that point and actually dealt with it ... so yes, my response would have to be the same "huh?".  

... maybe i have to go back one to
source: mark above the above
so does the pervasive huh? & the rwg
... ok i get that you don't like me to just say "huh?" ... i get that.  i suppose i can do better at asking you to clarify your content & dialogue meaning.  ... er, and i will.

Was there anything else there that i missed?



Seth says
Yep the whole point.
Go back & assume that you are wrong & I am right that I can't guess what you don't understand & TRY again, eh?



Seth says
Note - this conversation is why I got rid of it in my threefoldness thingy in the first place.
All the Logos in the world will not persuade if all you do is nitpick words.



Seth says
well to totally understand what you are pushing here i will need to spend quite a bit more time and effort ... maybe tomorrow ... maybe later today ... maybe when i get a .  as far as i can tell the only way would be to put the whole dialogue in a linear fashon with annotations specifying whatever was not already put there.  the trikey part would be not to just jump back into rwg habits with you.  ... and, er, we both would have to do that.  not sure it would be possible ... espeicially with the pesky assumption hanging out there that i was assuming any right or wrong in the matter when i originally responded ... which, as far as i can tell was not the case.

of course if you could spend some time to clarify what you are pushing then it would same my own.

anyway ... later bro

Mark de LA says
I lost the train & the station.  I have already refocused my attention & comments on Punishment

Seth says
Einai 2014-04-03 11:26:19 17247
I lost the train & the station.  I have already refocused my attention & comments on Punishment
wiggy wobby woo ... thanks for wasting my time then .

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-03 11:33:44 17247
Einai 2014-04-03 11:26:19 17247
I lost the train & the station.  I have already refocused my attention & comments on Punishment
wiggy wobby woo ... thanks for wasting my time then .
huh? too much generality applies to the comments.  Too much argumentation about some topic here. I am NOW going to focus on my primary item Punishment instead; your whatever whatevering notwithstanding. Got to cut it loose sometime.
.....Zz..

Seth says
do you ever get the feeling that somebody, even perhaps you or i, will discover this item maybe 5 or 10 years from now ... and then read it from both of our perspectives ... and then laugh their assess off

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-03 11:45:54 17247
do you ever get the feeling that somebody, even perhaps you or i, will discover this item maybe 5 or 10 years from now ... and then read it from both of our perspectives ... and then laugh their assess off
Maybe? - maybe not¿ I basically wanted to limit the rwg-confusion-munging on my threefoldness item & it kept coming faster than I could get a temperate response that did not want to get off topic any further.  I moved it & that turned out to be in error.  Now we are responding even further from the topic I was interested in . So maybe that's funny to you, who knows¿
I have since finished my Punishment & will pursue my investigations deeper into ontology.

or not

Seth says
Maybe  "people-can-draw-energy-people-way-plants" .... maybe they can suck out your energy too ?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-03 12:20:07 17247
Maybe  "people-can-draw-energy-people-way-plants" .... maybe they can suck out your energy too ?
Healing Tao teaches some people how to draw Chi from trees etc all the way out from the planets & the stars. Otherwise see s blame.


Seth says
... yes petty much.  people can be energy drains to other people ... and/or they can be energy sources to other people.  i think that obtains whether there is some mystical vibrational connection there or not.  blame is a drain ... pretty much any way you look at it, imho ... same for rwg. 

Seth says
well kewl ... actually this this subject that we stumbeled into here for me needs more treatment and context than only this narrow rwg here.  i am sure it will emerge elsewhere.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-03 17:24:42 17247
source: mark
Well the jury is out for me. The more I hold myself accountable the less I put the blame on other things which I encounter. I would have to give being to others controlling my happiness & well being & energy levels. To the extent that I play the [blame game: item 17245] I enjoy the pleasure & pain at someone else's cause. I am evolving at my own cause in that regard.

I fail to see how this has anything whatsoever to do with blame.  Either you loose some ability to do more work or you do not.  You can blame yourself, blame somebody else, or blame no one ... nevertheless you will either loose some of the ability to do work or not.

You can either "give being to others controlling your happiness etc" or not.  The theory does not depend on your strategies with the outside world or how you can shield yourself form change from without.  I know i can loose energy.  I have heard you say that you did too.  Fact is we effect each other ... it would be a stupid world should we not ... imho, imho, of course.
OK so enjoy that & have fun with it.


Seth says
Einai 2014-04-03 15:20:37 17247
seth 2014-04-03 15:04:11 17247
source: mark
... for some ontological concept of energy. meh?¿

... well yes absolutely .   I certainly have a feeling of psychological energy gain or loss from specific interactions. Don't you?
Perhaps ?¿ - I don't know how much is imaginary - probably most of it. d'A seems to declare he is unfazed. You ¿?

well, forget about the term "energy" ... do you not feel a psychological loss from some specific interactions?  Is that loss imaginary?  In other words after some specific interaction with another do you feel more or less strong and/or capable of doing some work or task?  That would be all that i am talking about ... the rest is just language.

Obviously everybody is different in how they deal with such a change caused from outside ... perhaps d'A and his group can isolate themselves from that change ... perhaps some people just reflect the change and therefore do not let it affect themselves ... many strategies probably exist.  But i really do not think this dynamic is imaginary ... it is a dynamic that me thinks obtains apart from my imagination.

Seth says
source: mark
Well the jury is out for me. The more I hold myself accountable the less I put the blame on other things which I encounter. I would have to give being to others controlling my happiness & well being & energy levels. To the extent that I play the [blame game: item 17245] I enjoy the pleasure & pain at someone else's cause. I am evolving at my own cause in that regard.

I fail to see how this has anything whatsoever to do with blame.  Either you loose some ability to do more work or you do not.  You can blame yourself, blame somebody else, or blame no one ... nevertheless you will either loose some of the ability to do work or not.

You can either "give being to others controlling your happiness etc" or not.  The theory does not depend on your strategies with the outside world or how you can shield yourself form change from without.  I know i can loose energy.  I have heard you say that you did too.  Fact is we effect each other ... it would be a stupid world should we not ... imho, imho, of course.

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