Ruby Ridge all Over? Maybe Obama - Waco?

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  1. government overreach
  2. states rights
  3. bundy
  4. wounded knee

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Mark de LA says
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Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-04-11 09:57:39 17275
Ruby Ridge - Wikipedia here - Attorney General Janet Reno , President Bill Clinton
Waco - Wikipedia here - Attorney General Janet Reno, President Bill Clinton

Matters of law resolved violently by government oppression, IMHO.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 09:49:06 17275
yep almost certainly hype ... who know.  me, i don't care ... i'm trying to focus on that which i can effect and leave the rest for people who are actually in that context. 
source: ... Edmund Burke once said: “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men should do nothing.”
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Mark de LA says
http://www.infowars.com/breaking-sen-harry-reid-behind-blm-land-grab-of-bundy-ranch/

Mark de LA says
More context, maybe: http://www.infowars.com/the-cliven-bundy-standoff-wounded-knee-revisited/
Wikipedia on Wounded Knee - 3 years before our father was born.
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hope it's all hype, afraid it's not.


Mark de LA says
BTW, those whose wheels & palms are being greased rarely complain !


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 11:13:36 17275
source: mark
Yep, honesty not expected at all.
huh?   What kind of a context is that comment contained within?   An honest binding of my thought world and my external world is what i truly am moving towards.  You can believe that or not, that is your choicey in the matter.  

In fact i believe that most of the problems in our world can be layed directly at the feet of our culture tolerating all this confusion and dishonest public thinking. 
I was talking about the M$M & the story .... actually very little of this item is about you except a small piece about it that you added separating yourself from the concern.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 10:58:14 17275
Einai 2014-04-12 10:38:24 17275
seth 2014-04-12 10:27:20 17275
it is kind of interesting though where these reports are coming from, eh?  i mean no main stream coverage whatsoever ... only right wing political sources.  were i actually interested in discovering some facts in the matter, i would seek out less biased sources closer to what is happening. 
The leftwing M$M wants nothing to do with it because it just is negative to the government oppression of the Obama regime!  What would one expect, eh?


whatever ... the right wing spin is just about the next election ... turns me off ... but then all the news turns me off these days.  making something that is not about obmam, about obama looks to me like the usual flim flam wordage meta munging  ... not anything about anything for me.  but, hey, if you get closer to what is actually happening, i'm sure you will inform on your blog.

my thing about the meta world (really just thinking) is how accurately it is actually bound to external reality.  my impression of this one is that it needs of more honest bonding.  i'll be watching for such.
While Obama campaigns non stop until November .... firing DHS etc. & bullshitting.
Yep, honesty not expected at all.


Mark de LA says
BTW, not all points of view or perspectives count equally. Some have clouds in the way & some have sphincters choking them off which need cleaning.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 12:29:37 17275
Einai 2014-04-12 12:11:03 17275
seth 2014-04-12 11:13:36 17275
source: mark
Yep, honesty not expected at all.
huh?   What kind of a context is that comment contained within?   An honest binding of my thought world and my external world is what i truly am moving towards.  You can believe that or not, that is your choicey in the matter.  

In fact i believe that most of the problems in our world can be layed directly at the feet of our culture tolerating all this confusion and dishonest public thinking. 
I was talking about the M$M & the story .... actually very little of this item is about you except a small piece about it that you added separating yourself from the concern.


ok .  

actually i rather expect that M$M (as you call it) is publicizing as much or more truth in this matter than the right wing blogisphere and talk radio.  I'm talking here primarialy about the CNN report.  thing is the right wing who want to win in the next election are heavily biased ... your spin above being a case in point.  At least CNN has a motive to appear unbiased.  Of course if you are on one side or the other you will see just that one perspective. 
Apparently Obama doesn't want to win his side for the next election ?????????????
CNN IS BIASSED! This is a more clear account from FoxNews showing the feds pullback.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 13:12:24 17275
seems to me the confrontation is between bureaucrats enforcing land management laws and ranchers wanting free grazing rights there.  but who benefits from hyping the confrontation ... wouldn't it just be the same people who want more hostility to government?  that certainly would not be the democrats.  that story would make no sense to the American people ... that is not how you win elections.
It made enough sense that the feds backed down, kudos!
Of course they will spin it some other way just as Janet Reno spun Waco as fear of child molestation.



Mark de LA says
Tit for Tat in Trade for US Debt here?
Source: ...

On Jan. 20, 2013, WND warned Chinese government-backed economists were proposing a plan to allow Chinese corporations to set up “development zones” in the United States as part of a plan proposed by the Chinese government to convert into equity the more than $1 trillion in U.S. Treasury debt owned by the Chinese government.

The next day, Jan. 21, 2013, WND documented the Obama administration had begun to allow China to acquire major ownership interests in oil and natural gas resources across the USA.

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Mark de LA says
Fascinating graphic which suggests that it all might not be about the desert tortoise!

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-25 09:06:19 17275
My question to Bundy after his remarks in the video, "Bundy: i spoke from the heart", is: are you just talking about Negros, or should your remarks also included poor white people too?

I will reserve my judgement as to whether he is a lying racist pig until i hear his answer to that direct question.

I mean he certainly is right, imho, that the lives of people living and working on a farm compared to those living in city ghettos on the government dole, were probably in many cases better.   Strange way for him to have say that if that was really what he honestly meant ... eh?
... & yet another point of view (presumably undedited)
http://www.infowars.com/unedited-video-shows-bundy-making-pro-black-pro-mexican-comments/
Digging up stuff on Bundy that paints him as a racist, even if he is, is a smoke screen for the government appropriating land belonging to the states & the individuals residing in them.
I like what Judge Andrew Napolitano said yesterday on Fox which amounts to "there is nothing in the US Constitution that permits the Federal government owning land anywhere in the states, any amount".


Seth says
source: mark
BTW, you seem to stutter a lot in written language with your er-stuff - kinda another way of being -ish or just trying to be cute?
Well thanks for noticing my "er"s ... you were the first.   It is just a thing i am experimenting with.  The intent is to make my writing sound a bit more like i was right there talking direct to you.  Also, i have been using it to highlight what i anticipate would be the pesky parts of what i say to my audience.  The pause that emphasizes. 

It is quite intentional, unlike stuttering, and is not meant to be be cute ... just putting a bit of extra expression into my words. 

I have no idea what "being -ish" means to you ... but if if means that you think i am just being me ... well then kewl ... i do try to let as much of that out as i possibly can.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-26 09:28:08 17275
source: mark
BTW, you seem to stutter a lot in written language with your er-stuff - kinda another way of being -ish or just trying to be cute?
Well thanks for noticing my "er"s ... you were the first.   It is just a thing i am experimenting with.  The intent is to make my writing sound a bit more like i was right there talking direct to you.  Also, i have been using it to highlight what i anticipate would be the pesky parts of what i say to my audience.  The pause that emphasizes. 

It is quite intentional, unlike stuttering, and is not meant to be be cute ... just putting a bit of extra expression into my words. 

I have no idea what "being -ish" means to you ... but if if means that you think i am just being me ... well then kewl ... i do try to let as much of that out as i possibly can.
for me it is just clutter & does not do for me what you seem to be trying to do.  I know where you are. But enjoy & be expressive!


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-26 09:03:38 17275
Einai 2014-04-26 08:48:28 17275
seth 2014-04-26 08:34:01 17275
Einai 2014-04-26 07:54:36 17275
Addendum: MLK's most famous speech uses the Negro word right out front in the 2nd sentence and 14 more times.
Just FYI !

that was the word for black back then 
So? That was the word used by a lot of blacks & whites then & in some parts of the country still today; the thought police notwithstanding.
<--- to the political correctness crowd & the thought police!

Er ... yes certainly, "negro" was the word used in the 40's through the 60's for black people in America ... i doubt that fact is remotely in question here.  So, pointing that out as justification for Bundy's lack of updating his consciousness sounds to me like some kind of wiggy rationalization.  Kind of like giving him a pass for not accepting the whole civil rights changes that happened in our culture.  I mean, if you folks do not want to join the new consciousness ... if you prefer to piss on it by calling it merely politically correct ... then,  why don't you just say so. 

Consciousness changes and so does the language in which it is expressed.  If you don't like that, well too bad for you.
It is still a smoke screen for progressive land grabs & an intentional hit piece on Bundy; those infected with Obamalagnia notwithstanding. BTW, you seem to stutter a lot in written language with your er-stuff - kinda another way of being -ish or just trying to be cute?


Mark de LA says
This item just found crisps up the end ot this one for me:
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Mark de LA says
The M$M or M$RM or the M$LM (L = Liberal & R = Racist) has successfully smeared Seth's brain - is there hope left? The smoke screen is effective & shifted the conversation.


Seth says
Einai 2014-04-27 10:17:05 17275
seth 2014-04-27 10:10:49 17275
Einai 2014-04-27 09:48:04 17275
seth 2014-04-27 09:06:28 17275
well my attitude towards bundyism has gone like this ... -> .

adding more words does restrain how you can interpret my statements and emotions. 

For example, in mine above, you know i am emoting about bundyism, which is the promotion of Bundy as a symbol of libertarianism.

In you's above, "->->", one needs to *guess* whether you are emoting about Bundy, or the bureaucracy, or Nevada standing against bureaucracy, or even about bundyism.  I'm betting the bureaucracy, but then why would you think that was funny ....yep interpretation can be a bitch ... i say the more help we can provide, the better. 

On another topic ... i think your movement's consciousness has already started moving away from Bundy as their symbol.  that symbol has been fatally tainted.  the only question is whether you will as well. 
I am a free soul & don't let the liberal/conservative M$M (or any other) tell me where to move! ==>>

yep, that is bundyism ... it goes along with thinking that negras were better off as slaves and refusing to become aware that American consciousness has changed for the better.  you have found your symbol, your flag ... how does it make you feel to fly it?

back on my other agenda here, and going metaphorical ... yes, i have my own pool of consciousness (you asserted yours above ) ... nobody wants to take that away ... (well maybe some things do) ... but, er ... my awareness is on how i swim within my pool, how turbulent it is, and what rivers are flowing into and out of it ....  that's some fun swimming, eh?
NOPE!, DUDE - that is me being conscious. Too bad someone else tells you which way to move.


well ... er, logically ... i actually said as much as "that was you being conscious" ... so i have no idea why you said "NOPE".  Then too i did not say that anyone tells me which way to move ... that would be just an argumentative twist to justify your negative reaction. 

Honestly, my consciousness is sensitive to the consciousness around me ... it does not exist like an isolated pool with nothing flowing in or out.   Quite frequently i do not like the flow of the water ... and swim against it.  What you are saying about your consciousness makes it sound like you are quite proud that yours is isolated.  Why do you glory in that isolation?  ... er, or do you?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-27 11:07:21 17275
Einai 2014-04-27 10:24:39 17275
The M$M or M$RM or the M$LM (L = Liberal & R = Racist) has successfully smeared Seth's brain - is there hope left? The smoke screen is effective & shifted the conversation.

well i was never really interested in bundyism at all ... surly you knew that.   if i had not been able to see how this item could relate to language and consciousness, i would have ignored it.   And if you make this item about me, it won't even be about bundyism.  So, hmmm , where will you be going with it?  I truly am curious.  Deleting my contribution entirely, or making the item private,  is certainly one thing you have done.   .... er ... would that not just be like damming a river flowing into this consciousness?
-ISH metamorphoses into FISH


Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-05-15 10:37:15 17275
Flash Forward: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/05/14/Dept-Of-Agriculture-Orders-Submachine-Guns-With-30-Round-Magazines

Dept of Agriculture Orders Submachine

 Guns with 30 Round Magazines

... to fight the farmers ???????????????


It is obscure where the need or why the need for such is detailed.  A simple procurement procedure is outlined here
read the fine print.

Mark de LA says
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3418491/Ammon-Bundy-arrested-three-fellow-militiamen-shots-fired-Oregon-stand-off.html thumbs up

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