Will of Consciousness

About: GW Tai Shu commentary on Yi King P.2356

77-12-2-8-10-15 THU (36 years, 4 months & 4 days ago)
Dai yot yao gih #15, YIK, Increase, Advantage, Help from Above: kon P.1523 & P1842 in Hex of Fire of Air - pertains to Will of Consciousness
The Man sees what is good, moves toward it; sees his errors & yet turns from them; lots to be got from the comment on both pages! (1523 & 1846)
The curse of "Because" is apt but mathematics of Liber Legis too is equally good:
"everywhere, the centre, as she, the circumference, is nowhere found". Spheical cosine law flattens out into the plane formula, itself generalising by Ptolemy in Pythagorean fat!"
Similar to PR in the last page of Art of Effortless POWER, 14 years later.
source: ...
"The Consciousness commands & the body obeys" - Peter Ralston
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Five other pages describe the point here with other shades: P2532, P2482, P2457, P2442 & 2373.

Tags

  1. trinity of being
  2. will
  3. consciousness
  4. dynamics
  5. pr

Comments


Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-04-12 13:05:41 17280
It should be known as in choosing to do your taxes if your consciousness commands procrastinate that something else may be afoot.



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 12:45:32 17280
i just don't think "command" / "obey" are the right words.  i'm not sure what is the right words are  ... but i am pretty sure those are not them.  
I found it rather excellent.  Elsewhere, GW describes consciousness in the thinking process leading to ignition in the will.

If one is into practicing a skill, something fast like racquetball or the martial arts there is no time to rationalize & go through the options. One must grok & act simultaneously. LL has similarities. It is a space one needs to experience like in the zone etc.


Seth says
Einai 2014-04-12 12:58:42 17280
seth 2014-04-12 12:45:32 17280
i just don't think "command" / "obey" are the right words.  i'm not sure what is the right words are  ... but i am pretty sure those are not them.  
I found it rather excellent.  Elsewhere, GW describes consciousness in the thinking process leading to ignition in the will.

If one is into practicing a skill, something fast like racquetball or the martial arts there is no time to rationalize & go through the options. One must grok & act simultaneously. LL has similarities. It is a space one needs to experience like in the zone etc.


well GW's "consciousness ignites the will" is definitely closer to the way i experience it ... command/obey just does not work for me.

Seth says
seth 2014-04-12 13:17:30 17280

Einai 2014-04-12 12:58:42 17280

seth 2014-04-12 12:45:32 17280

i just don't think "command" / "obey" are the right words.  i'm not sure what is the right words are  ... but i am pretty sure those are not them.  

I found it rather excellent.  Elsewhere, GW describes consciousness in the thinking process leading to ignition in the will.



If one is into practicing a skill, something fast like racquetball or the martial arts there is no time to rationalize & go through the options. One must grok & act simultaneously. LL has similarities. It is a space one needs to experience like in the zone etc.





well GW's "consciousness ignites the will" is definitely closer to the way i experience it ... command/obey just does not work for me.

Such is probably because you don't grok the command structure - may be a part of your problems with authority - who knows? In another part you obviously didn't follow GW talks about conscious will & developing the consciousness soul.



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-12 13:45:31 17280
ME 2014-04-12 13:22:12 17280
seth 2014-04-12 13:17:30 17280

Einai 2014-04-12 12:58:42 17280

seth 2014-04-12 12:45:32 17280

i just don't think "command" / "obey" are the right words.  i'm not sure what is the right words are  ... but i am pretty sure those are not them.  

I found it rather excellent.  Elsewhere, GW describes consciousness in the thinking process leading to ignition in the will.



If one is into practicing a skill, something fast like racquetball or the martial arts there is no time to rationalize & go through the options. One must grok & act simultaneously. LL has similarities. It is a space one needs to experience like in the zone etc.





well GW's "consciousness ignites the will" is definitely closer to the way i experience it ... command/obey just does not work for me.

Such is probably because you don't grok the command structure - may be a part of your problems with authority - who knows? In another part you obviously didn't follow GW talks about conscious will & developing the consciousness soul.


mark, i am pretty sure i know what command-obey means in any context ... and that has nothing to do with anything that you call my problems with authorty.   but i'll read GW's "conscious will & developing the consciousness soul" when i get a tuit, that does sound like something that i might be able to use ... too bad you cant just say it here in your own words ... that actually would give me more energy.
Well PR's summary statement & GW's agree when you don't haggle & grok it.  The rest I have already explained untill I am blue in the face:


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-04-14 05:20:02 17280
Einai 2014-04-12 19:26:29 17280
The biggest hint I can give you is that command does NOT involve any verbalization.


yeah i know. 

where thought/consciousness lead/guide want/emotion i call it "intention" and at the final action it is not even usually voiced. 

i can easily achieve what i believe PR calls "effortless power" with practiced movement in a known and controlled enviorment ... like for example my kitchen ... or more generally my plastic habits.  those are good and great and would my whole life be taken up with them. 

balancing my trinity of being with/against the, at times turbulent, push/pull of the world of otherness is a dynamic that continues to excite my life ... ...

i hope you will not just misunderstand
nice!

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-10 05:58:13 17280
Incidentally when  "My Consciousness commands & my body obeys",  then i think I can say that I have a conscious narrative.  It is just like saying, "I have a plan", or "I have a goal", or perhaps even, "I know what I am doing".

Thing is this word "narrative" allows us to talk about more than just ourselves, more than just this single individual.  Using it we can talk about a whole group of people.  What is this group doing?  Where are we going today?  What is our narrative?  What is our story?  Should we plan something different?  How should we change the narrative?

I think using this "narrative" word, allows us to start talking about how thought is connected to will within some being, whether it is just ourselves or our threefold society. 
Where the phrase "My Consciousness commands & my body obeys" is descriptive there is NO narrative.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-10 08:01:12 17280

Einai 2014-07-10 07:12:08 17280

seth 2014-07-10 05:58:13 17280

Incidentally when  "My Consciousness commands & my body obeys",  then i think I can say that I have a conscious narrative.  It is just like saying, "I have a plan", or "I have a goal", or perhaps even, "I know what I am doing".



Thing is this word "narrative" allows us to talk about more than just ourselves, more than just this single individual.  Using it we can talk about a whole group of people.  What is this group doing?  Where are we going today?  What is our narrative?  What is our story?  Should we plan something different?  How should we change the narrative?



I think using this "narrative" word, allows us to start talking about how thought is connected to will within some being, whether it is just ourselves or our threefold society. 

Where the phrase "My Consciousness commands & my body obeys" is descriptive there is NO narrative.





Well when your consciousness commands and your body obeys, are you aware of the context in which you act?

my consciousness commanding means I am aware. A world class martial arts instructor wrote or quoted that phrase. I am aware on all kinds of levels & don't have to cognize around to take action.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-10 12:49:24 17280
Einai 2014-07-10 12:01:32 17280
seth 2014-07-10 08:01:12 17280

Einai 2014-07-10 07:12:08 17280

seth 2014-07-10 05:58:13 17280

Incidentally when  "My Consciousness commands & my body obeys",  then i think I can say that I have a conscious narrative.  It is just like saying, "I have a plan", or "I have a goal", or perhaps even, "I know what I am doing".



Thing is this word "narrative" allows us to talk about more than just ourselves, more than just this single individual.  Using it we can talk about a whole group of people.  What is this group doing?  Where are we going today?  What is our narrative?  What is our story?  Should we plan something different?  How should we change the narrative?



I think using this "narrative" word, allows us to start talking about how thought is connected to will within some being, whether it is just ourselves or our threefold society. 

Where the phrase "My Consciousness commands & my body obeys" is descriptive there is NO narrative.





Well when your consciousness commands and your body obeys, are you aware of the context in which you act?

my consciousness commanding means I am aware. A world class martial arts instructor wrote or quoted that phrase. I am aware on all kinds of levels & don't have to cognize around to take action.


hmmm .... so you are aware of the context in which you Karate chopped that fellow now writhing in pain on the floor ... fine.   My description of that is that you acted in some narrative.  That desciption does not imply that you necessarily ran through anything that might be characterized as a "cognition" ... whatever that might be.  No, you just did it, but without awareness of the context in which you acted, you would not be able to say that you were "aware on all kinds of levels".   And i will bet that, were you not have been aware of the context, you would not even be able to remember the event.

You see i'm calling "awareness of context" the same thing as "awareness of narrative".   I do not even know how to draw a distinction between the two.  You could of course argue about my language, but i claim i can take any sentence in which awareness of context is talked about and substitute some variant of the word "narrative" in it salva veritate and visa versa.
I didn't karate chop anyone.
A narrative is the telling of a story -
Wikipedia: ... Narrative can be organized in a number of thematic and/or formal/stylistic categories: non-fiction (e.g. New Journalism, creative non-fiction, biographies, and historiography); fictionalized accounts of historical events (e.g. anecdotes, myths, and legends); and fiction proper (i.e. literature in prose, such as short stories and novels, and sometimes in poetry and drama, although in drama the events are primarily being shown instead of told). Narrative is found in all forms of human creativity and art, including speech, writing, songs, film, television, games, photography, theatre, and visual arts such as painting (with the modern art movements refusing the narrative in favor of the abstract and conceptual) that describes a sequence of events. The word derives from the Latin verb narrare, "to tell", which is derived from the adjective gnarus, "knowing" or "skilled"
... I don't have to tell myself a story in order to act. You apparently are creating a fictional narrative for some unknown reason to explain how I operate. Maybe you need one to explain how YOU operate. IDK, IDC.  Munging around is just making it more muddy. PR won the World Title in China for full contact martial arts with his methodology.  He is also a real person whom I have met & spent some time with. His Ethos trumps yours in that domain. I have validated such in other domains as well. Yours, OTOH, suffers from what AC calls the pit of because; such would be a narrative of why you want to do something or are doing it.



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-10 06:34:09 17280
M 2014-10-10 00:10:36 17280
seth 2014-10-09 21:30:55 17280
source: Peter Ralston
"The Consciousness commands & the body obeys"

It might be interesting to revisit Peter's concept in the light of ...

M 2014-10-09 15:18:37 17832

Yep, some people have a particular strong investment in their story. Some days I do, somedays I don't. The less I do the more I am creative in being alive.

...
Different stuff.
... which necessarily? connects.
... In some mind somewhere - how so?  Peter was all about the martial arts.  The quote is from an illustrated Art of Effortless Power book. I can grasp a little bit of the distinction outside martial arts as I have been in a class B racquetball league & played fairly well.  I had other purposes for doing so than attaining the top trophy. During a game there was no conversation in my mind in the way there is here. My instincts took over & I moved in accordance with the game principles.


Seth says
M 2014-10-10 00:10:36 17280
seth 2014-10-09 21:30:55 17280
source: Peter Ralston
"The Consciousness commands & the body obeys"

It might be interesting to revisit Peter's concept in the light of ...

M 2014-10-09 15:18:37 17832

Yep, some people have a particular strong investment in their story. Some days I do, somedays I don't. The less I do the more I am creative in being alive.

...
Different stuff.
... which necessarily connects.

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