NOW not to be confused with moments

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There is only one NOW.  It is where consciousness is at the instant it looks.


Noun

now (usually uncountable, plural nows)

(uncountable) The present time. Now is the right time.There is no better time than now.
  1. (often with "the") The state of not paying attention to the future or the past. She is living in the now.
  2. (countable, chiefly in phenomenology) A particular instant in time, as perceived at that instant.  [quotations ▼]

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Seth says
NOW has no time in it.

Seth says
Yep that is exactly what i though you were saying .

Now let's try to tease the reality of your meaning, which incidentally i totally agree with, away form the words in which you said it. 

Talking here now just about these words, "now", "i", "you", "me", "they", "it" are, as you know, indexical ... in that they actually are used by people to refer to many many things ... but each usage only refers to one particular thing.  Strange though, "i", and "me" (unlike the other indexicals in my list) only refer to one thing ... though of course that thing varies by who speaks the word.  In that sense i find it a peculiar indexical.  I find that peculiar indexical usage totally reflects the perdicament I experience as I experience my self.  I think that is pretty kewl, don't you ? 

The question that i asked is whether consciousness is exactly that same way?  Is it indexical like "it" or "they" ... or does it refer to only one unique thing ever like the word "I" ?

Now let me see if i can get out of the plane of just the language and talk about our real experiences ... er, notwistanding that i will have to use language to do it .

I think, just like you (i presume), that i experience my I, my ego, my self best and most vividly in the now as i focus on myself and shut up all other distractions.  I am there now as i am conscious.  (LOL ... i had to write that last sentence and then go back and make it so afterwards ...LOL).   So far everything i said is, i truly think, totally in agreement with how you would think as well.  If it is not, could you tell me specifically where i have deviated from the way you see that same topic?

Now comes the pesky part.  And you are just going to have to trust me that i am being totally honest here.   All of my experiences of myself *are* different.  Some of them are quite similar. But i would be lieing to you if i said that i can believe that they are all experienceing the same thing. 

Ok, now comes the part that might even startel you .    I *believe* that your experiences are exactly the way you describe them to me ... where each of your experiences of your I are identical and that you experience them identically.   Now, of cours i cannot know your experience, i can only imagine it ... yet based upon everything you have said and done ... i am extremely sure that i have imagined it correctly.   Have I?

Now you may judge my experience to be shallow ... or confused.  But that is just your judgement ... nothing really to do with me.  Sometimes i even miss that unique continuity for myself ... others times i use and glory that my consciousnesses are usually quite different from each other. 

Me, i actually think it is quite kewl indeed that we are so different there.  Don't you?



Seth says
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seth 2014-04-23 07:57:49 17314
Is there only one consciousness?
NOPE! It doesn't say that!

Ok, so then there *are* many consciousnesses ... for if there is not just one (which i presume your NOPE is asserting) then there must be more than one ... perhaps many.  Your saying did not say that, but it can be logically implied.  What am i missing?
NOPE! It doesn't say that either!
Consciousness is a fundamental property of an entity. Speaking of humans that would be tzu "I".
I can move my consciousness around through all the chakras & have differing kinds of consciousness, but "I" am still "I" just as NOW is still NOW wherever "I" am. See also: tzukio





Seth says
I tend to disagree with your 2nd sentence in the above comment & the need for that which ensued for the rest of the Comment.  I am not used to the word indexical which subtleties seem to amuse you - so it didn't communicate well for me. I enjoyed that you were thinking about these things, though.
Consciousness is not a thing. It doesn't have thingy properties.  It is like being or IS or existence etc. Check out BofNK ~ chapter 25 etc.


Seth says
dry words are boring - over intellectualizing is boring to me!
Your results may vary.
I already have the distinctions, context & concepts why pile a bunch of professorial bs on top of that?



Seth says
ME 2014-04-23 11:52:52 17314
I tend to disagree with your 2nd sentence in the above comment & the need for that which ensued for the rest of the Comment. 


I assume you disagree with my saying, "Now let's try to tease the reality of your meaning, which incidentally i totally agree with, away form the words in which you said it. "

Well i guess you know that there are some meanings that are so embedded in the connotations of a language that you simply cannot use those words without implying those connotations ... er, whether you mean them or not.    I have from the start assumed that you were talking of topics which went way beyond the limitations in the assumptions of the words that you had to use to type your meanings into fastblogit. 

Do you still disagree with my intention here?

I am not used to the word indexical which subtleties seem to amuse you - so it didn't communicate well for me.
Well the concept of indexical (see Stanford) is centeral to understanding language ... it is hard for me to analyze, or even accurately parse meaning out of a language string without an intimate knowledge of the concept.  I rather think you have the same understanding of language, maybe you just call them pronouns.  I seem to have though i needed the extra context.  Perhaps just substitute pronoun and let it go at that.  That aside, i doubt that you can possibly have a rational reason for not receiving my communication.

Consciousness is not a thing. It doesn't have thingy properties.  It is like being or IS or existence etc.

Yes of course absolutely.  Here it is just some connotation you have for the pronoun "thing" with is preventing you from getting my meaning.  I use the word "thing" (or even "thiengy") as just a placeholder for that which can not for the moment be named yet must be refered to.  The SUMO ontology, and many other ontologies, use it as the topmost symbol ... it does not restrain or restrict that for which it stands in any way whatsoever.  As such i can refer to some Spirit as a thing ... yet we both know it is not the same kind of thing as a chair or a computer program.  In short there are no "thingy" properties of a thing.


hmmm ... you seem to have stopped reading as soon as you encountered the language stuff ... or at least you did not respond to anything beyond there ... or answer any of my questions directly.  I find that strange because that is where the really interesting stuff was ... er, stuff that might really move us along to a common understanding of this thingey that seems to obstruct our love.


Seth says
Maybe Seth would like the word porism tek to add to his glossary.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-05-27 10:08:07 17314

Well i think GW touched on my perspective on consciousness when he said : "CONSCIOUSNESS is awareness of the part which self takes in production of a judgment either as a cause or effect = cause when I act on another ...".   In other words one must necessarily have interaction for consciousness to happen.  One must have awareness of an interaction for consciousness to exist. 

That perspective is very unlike PR's when he says : "I invite you to consider the possibility that you can be conscious beyond, or independent of, or prior to, any awareness or perception.  I also want to invite you to consider that your very nature is of that kind".   Here consciousness takes on an existence apart from an interaction and the awareness of it. 

And yes i realize that you hold to PR's view that when we talk of consciousness we can be referring to something quite apart from any human interaction ... something that we can close our eyes in private isolation and experience.  I don't doubt that such a private experience exists for i have myself experienced it, i just don't call it consciousness.
... must be unconsciousness then! ... I don't think PR said independent of any human interaction unless a pig's consciousness is what we are talking about.

Seth says

Well i think GW touched on my perspective on consciousness when he said : "CONSCIOUSNESS is awareness of the part which self takes in production of a judgment either as a cause or effect = cause when I act on another ...".   In other words one must necessarily have interaction for consciousness to happen.  One must have awareness of an interaction for consciousness to exist. 

That perspective is very unlike PR's when he says : "I invite you to consider the possibility that you can be conscious beyond, or independent of, or prior to, any awareness or perception.  I also want to invite you to consider that your very nature is of that kind".   Here consciousness takes on an existence apart from an interaction and the awareness of it. 

And yes i realize that you hold to PR's view that when we talk of consciousness we can be referring to something quite apart from any human interaction ... something that we can close our eyes in private isolation and experience.  I don't doubt that such a private experience exists for i have myself experienced it, i just don't call it consciousness.

Seth says
source: mark (and others) above

Consciousness is a fundamental property of an entity.


I think consciousness is a fundamental property of the relationship between entities. 

Mark de LA says
In Pursuing Consciousness PR 5:19 says
"There is a common and major assumption that prevents understanding much of what I'm saying about self and you, and that is confusing Consciousness with awareness ....
~~
I invite you to consider the possibility that you can be conscious beyond, or independent of, or prior to, any awareness or perception.  I also want to invite you to consider that your very nature is of that kind."
Then he quotes Albert Einstein:
source: ... Concepts which have proved useful for ordering things easily assume so great an authority over us, that we forget their terrestial origin and accept them as unalterable facts.
...


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-05-27 08:10:27 17314
source: mark (and others) above

Consciousness is a fundamental property of an entity.


I think consciousness is a fundamental property of the relationship between entities. 
Others asy: Tai Shu P.2621 -GW

CONSCIOUSNESS is awareness of the part which self takes in production of a judgment either as a cause or effect = cause when I act on another, effect when I act on myself, when my hand touches my head, e.g., "I am an effect". Believe a cause exists without an effect or vice versa if you like to be mystified or misdirected.  The categories of Reality are, number, space, motion, time & judgment;  if it be a thing it must have unity, it must be one, or it does not exist.  Also it must have extension, speed, persistence & consciousness;  these cats [categories] or essentials are independent but concomitant; the thing is its component essentials;  there is no "ding an sich".  From here we can go to the subject of "Electricity" & what happens to make it positive or negative, the yang & yin! .."

Peter Ralston in Cheng Hsin Intro Page:

What we observe about ourselves are various forms manifesting as "being."

Being appears as:
  • some "thing" -- a body, which appears as functionally and purposefully directed, as alive.
  • consciousness -- the foundation and origin of self and awareness.
  • "mind" -- appearing as thoughts and emotions.
  • relational and interactive.
  • creative.
  • capable and ignorant, limited and open possibility

The objective is not to believe or disbelieve something (not even our own beliefs); rather it is to directly and authentically experience for ourselves the truth.

Then too there is RS & most of his work is about different levels of consciousness in human evolution. I have not run into a precision definition of consciousness in his work yet. However there is the standard awake, deep sleep & dreaming states of consciousness as well as "higher ones" named imagination, inspiration, intuition & initiation.

Seth in the above, for my understanding, seems to equate it to the abstract arrow of a relationship where he focuses on the shaft rather than the beginning or the end of the arrow.



Mark de LA says
Abraham Hicks on NOW: (***)


Mark de LA says
ZZzzz... I guess that means you acknowledge that, but are still unconscious of how you wandered into how you needed the rwg to shore up & protect your selfie!
will get back into it here when I need a time waster.

Seth says
Eiamistic 2015-05-27 10:14:41 17314
seth 2015-05-27 10:08:07 17314

Well i think GW touched on my perspective on consciousness when he said : "CONSCIOUSNESS is awareness of the part which self takes in production of a judgment either as a cause or effect = cause when I act on another ...".   In other words one must necessarily have interaction for consciousness to happen.  One must have awareness of an interaction for consciousness to exist. 

That perspective is very unlike PR's when he says : "I invite you to consider the possibility that you can be conscious beyond, or independent of, or prior to, any awareness or perception.  I also want to invite you to consider that your very nature is of that kind".   Here consciousness takes on an existence apart from an interaction and the awareness of it. 

And yes i realize that you hold to PR's view that when we talk of consciousness we can be referring to something quite apart from any human interaction ... something that we can close our eyes in private isolation and experience.  I don't doubt that such a private experience exists for i have myself experienced it, i just don't call it consciousness.
... must be unconsciousness then!

yep agreed (finally figured it out ... had to ignore your "" to grock it).  

You have particular interpertations of your private experiences and dramas.  I do not have the same interpertations of mine.  So, according to your standards, you can honestly call me "unconscious"


Yet me, i am aware of the effect i have on others, and the effect they have on me.  that awareness informs what i do.  By that standard, i frequently find you unconscious
 

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