Meaning


For an experience to mean some thing, it must represent it.  That is it must stand in one context representing something else in another context.  Otherwise the experience just *IS* .   Otherwise we cannot talk of meaning at all ... the word would not apply.

Now what represents what is a matter for a being to concoct.  We make those associations frequently quite arbitrarily ... so that "A" could represent the number 3.821, but it could just of well have been "B" to stand for that number.  Other times we seek for a similarity between the representamen and its object.  But in all cases, the association is always made by some being.  Therefore meaning is always subjective to that being ....  and, er ... meaningless outside of it.

... authority ...

... complexity of relationship between being/existence and the metaworld of meaning ...

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  1. semantics
  2. meaning
  3. tzu
  4. meaningless
  5. semantic triangle

Comments


Seth says
Einai 2014-05-02 08:05:56 17346
Einai 2014-05-02 08:04:59 17346
Werner Erhard: ...
Early on: "Life is empty and meaningless, and it's empty and meaningless that it's empty and meaningless."  ... 

Later on: "You  are empty and meaningless, and it's empty and meaningless that you're empty and meaningless."  ... 
...
Mark Spirtos, (in the article) was the guy who came up with that crazy sentence "I invite you to experience that which is unrecognizable to be related to the occurrence of which , if ever, is only on the other side of that which is recognizable to be related to."
This IS one of the best essays on empty & meaningless & underneath the link to play there may be an idea of what d'A is up to.
Enjoy!



This particular item was the start of a fairly definite train of thought ...in which knowing about meaning itself was an essential start.  I think Werner is crawling on the same recognition in what he says about meaninglessness above.  I don't get the connection between that and play, which is what d'S is up to. 

Unfortunately i have lost the train of thought from my mind ... other oceans have washed me into different contexts ...  i'll try to recover it, maybe will, maybe won't.

Seth says
Seth:  Unfortunately i have lost the train of thought from my mind ... other oceans have washed me into different contexts ...  i'll try to recover it, maybe will, maybe won't.

source: mark
.. & maybe it is meaningless if you do or don't ....

actually while i was driving back from my responsibility to the rainey Renton Spring festival ... the train of thought came back to me .   i can't guess what role my recovery of the train played to what being of your mention ... was it you? ... if so, then i can well presume that it was meaningless to you... er, thanks for noticing .

To me, however, it means that i can now continue to articulate that train in this context .

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-05-03 11:11:59 17346
Seth:  Unfortunately i have lost the train of thought from my mind ... other oceans have washed me into different contexts ...  i'll try to recover it, maybe will, maybe won't.

source: mark
.. & maybe it is meaningless if you do or don't ....

actually while i was driving back from my responsibility to the rainey Renton Spring festival ... the train of thought came back to me .   i can't guess what role my recovery of the train played to what being of your mention ... was it you? ... if so, then i can well presume that it was meaningless to you... er, thanks for noticing .

To me, however, it means that i can now continue to articulate that train in this context .
Is expectation of meaning meaningful?Is expectation of something meaningless meaningful?
Who know? maybe? maybe-not?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-05-04 08:38:32 17346
Einai 2014-05-03 12:37:16 17346
seth 2014-05-03 12:22:30 17346
Einai 2014-05-03 11:38:38 17346
&, sorry, DUDE ... had to provide this meaning for ya


(**)

yes definitely .   notice each different meaning had to have a story (context) that made "Dude" mean something different. 

sans that story the utterance would in fact *be* meaningless.

guessing the story is guessing the meaning.

here, though, *I* am having troubles feeling the story in which your utterance, "&, sorry, DUDE ... ", belonged ... especially the "sorry" part of that story ... for in any story that i can feel, Rob was illustrating my meaning of "meaning" brilliantly.  So the "sorry" part of your story (context) is quite meaningless to me. 
As is your story... get the point yet DUDE?

Are you calling my story meaningless, Sir?
Hmmm.... not just your story , but all of it. But then one might have to digest the Erhard quotes earlier above.


Seth says
source: mark
NO ERROR AT ALL DUDE! - plunge maybe - the question asked is why the definition [er] has that page in it (since the definition is in a different page) - which you still have no clue for. Since, er ... it appears outside you that you are trying to be funny with the .. er ... splunge .   I gave you a better context for it since, for me, it is not even cute.  Your mileage may vary, of course!


You error was to switch the context of my usage of "er" with the context of GW's ming word "er" ... you did that switch in your phrase "More on your predilection for the ming word er" ... which ... er, i have never used in my life. 

I am allowing this rwg here only because it illustrates one of the salient features of meaning.  That is:  a mark in one contex means something differnet in a different context.  Different beings have different contexts for the same mark.  Switching those contexts is how meanings gets confused between beings.

Seth says
Einai 2014-05-03 14:12:27 17346
Einai 2014-05-03 14:08:11 17346
More on your predilection for the word er defined first here which, at least in Paradise, applies.

You can create your own meaning for why it references P.1824 in the definition.


Well, facts are facts and should not be denied.  My predilection to use the word "er" is *not* a predilection to use ming word "er".  You switched one context for different context ... lying that the mark, "er",  means the same in each.  ... er, nasty business, and ... er, not kewl.

Incidentally the connection between "ER = EMPHASISE ER EMPHASISES, LIKE AS, NO DOUBT" and what GW said in his document,

 is quite clear indeed and hardly needs to be guessed or made up.

Both usage contexts share the connotation of EMPHASIS ... but mine has not connotation of doubt or no doubt. 

Do you understand your error?




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