#FastblogitArgumentation & #BozoMismatching #TiltOn #GIGO

Similar to this meme without the humor. Usually found amongst lawyers & philosophers who will continue to talk ceaselessly, to hear themselves, circling the wagons around their Ego for effect.

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Mark de LA says
It is hard for me to resonate with abstract bullshit.  I am more likely to resonate with things like 17470 .  Ever see two people resonating with each other that were not fucking or thinking about it?
Good Vibes to them!

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 07:30:40 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 07:23:22 17467
#BozoMismatching is Bozo not being able to let go of conflict or mismatching & the lack of focus on what he really wants rather than what he is different from.


well yeah i'm sure i do that at times.

one premis there, however, is that i mismatch on purpose ... that i rarely do.  you might want to consider the possibility that that is just something that you made up based upon some seminar and does not necessarily always apply to what i do.
As with the RWG you can't help it - not on purpose.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 07:26:50 17467
I think i actually understand your train of thought:
  1. First you assume that the ego must defend itself. 
  2. then your ego takes possession of all of your thoughts
  3. if someone point out a difference between their thoughts and yours, then they must be defending their ego, and are therefore arguing.

It like totally follows.  Only trouble i have with it is the premise.  My ego does not need to always defend itself. 

Yep, bad assumptions (yours) lead to bad conclusions & keep the juices flowing.
#TiltOn #GIGO


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 13:58:36 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 08:56:46 17467
It is hard for me to resonate with abstract bullshit.  I am more likely to resonate with things like 17470 .  Ever see two people resonating with each other that were not fucking or thinking about it?
Good Vibes to them!

surprise, surprise ... there is such a thing as thoughts resonating.  i live in a world where the metaworld is not always a subject for derision and dissonant judgement.   and it seems to me that particular thought would resonate with those who hold that the consciousness commands and the will follows.
Did you say anything real?  Maybe your mind lives in such a meta-world - walled garden?
Can you prove that thoughts have resonance in the classic definition of resonance? Are you not just arguing meta-analogy?



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 08:41:04 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 08:30:33 17467
as long as someone resonates with you you are kewl otherwise?  <<== missed point, eh?

well resonance requires both sides ... so your sentence is true ... i only resonate with that which i actually do vibrate ... cannot get away from that.   Yet i change how i vibrate, and the world changes how it vibrates, and you change how you vibrate.  We are all sensitive. 

incidentally i did not miss that point of yours above at all.  the way you hurdled it at me was hard to miss.  It is in fact the best thing that you could have chosen to dissonate with me.   Have fun with it ... it is that ego wall itself ... that thing that you project onto me that is ... er ... really just you. 
Yep - I can only guess that those who resonate with you look like you.


Mark de LA says
Heh ..heh  --- is dissonance becoming the new n-word?


Mark de LA says
Then too there is today's hex #21 the thwan says it all; & the not so cryptick details in the 6th line.

khwi




Mark de LA says
Good Vibes Dude!



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 14:20:12 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 09:18:48 17467
Heh ..heh  --- is dissonance becoming the new n-word?


Well, yes maybe in fact.  Dissonance ... intentional negativity (er arguing for the sake of rwg)  ... is to be shunned ... that may just be my ethic ... but i do believe others before me have recommended it too.  It just feels bad.   Hey, your mileage may well vary ... but most people, me thinks, will want to move away from dissonance ... and not just because you cannot have dissonance & resonance at the same time.  i think we can choose dissonance or resonance, but somtimes i find myself choosing dissonance by habit alone.   Other times i think i can try to combine both vibes in some creative way such that it actually ends up feeling good and at a higher level is ends up resonating in my being. 

And, yes that is pretty much LOA ... sans any dogmatic baggage ... er, except perhaps my own.
Yep, there are lots of people in the world who wish that everyone who disagrees with them would just shut up or be quiet! Nice work if you can get it. I suspect that with social media that will never happen. Dissonance is no more intentional than resonance & resonance is no more intentional than dissonance. Consciousness involves a capacity of judgment - like it or not.


Seth says
Einai 2014-06-11 08:10:58 17467
seth 2014-06-11 08:02:16 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 07:57:09 17467
seth 2014-06-11 07:44:06 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 07:34:54 17467
seth 2014-06-11 07:26:50 17467
I think i actually understand your train of thought:
  1. First you assume that the ego must defend itself. 
  2. then your ego takes possession of all of your thoughts
  3. if someone point out a difference between their thoughts and yours, then they must be defending their ego, and are therefore arguing.

It like totally follows.  Only trouble i have with it is the premise.  My ego does not need to always defend itself. 

Yep, bad assumptions (yours) lead to bad conclusions & keep the juices flowing.
#TiltOn #GIGO


well what is my bad assumption?   If i assume that you always follow that train of thought, then it would explain why you always call something arguing which i think is just honest inquiry. 
Yep, still going with the reframe, deframe thingy & #TiltOn


well perhaps i am ... you see, in pursuit of resonance re-framing is sometimes necessary. 

of course were one to hanker for dissonance ... one simply holds to the frames that are causing it ... works every time.
Yeah, I'm sick of this one already. Everytime I say something & the word but shows up in your mind (maybe even without the word there) out comes more material .  Honest? Truly seeking resonance or just resonance with your own material? What if I don't resonate with yours?  Use innuendo, passive agressive wordings? IDK. Pretend that you are just one is just unbiassed .  Maybe join politics or ivory tower philosophers would be rewarding, eh?


funny stuff that .   resonance is vibrating together.   resonance just with my own material is obviously not resonance with you.   yet here we are at dissonance instead. 

"Pretend that you are just one is just unbiasse"  ... i can't guess what that means to you ... can you help me out please?

Mark de LA says
content free dialogue = #clog

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 14:44:03 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 14:30:59 17467
seth 2014-06-11 14:20:12 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 09:18:48 17467
Heh ..heh  --- is dissonance becoming the new n-word?


Well, yes maybe in fact.  Dissonance ... intentional negativity (er arguing for the sake of rwg)  ... is to be shunned ... that may just be my ethic ... but i do believe others before me have recommended it too.  It just feels bad.   Hey, your mileage may well vary ... but most people, me thinks, will want to move away from dissonance ... and not just because you cannot have dissonance & resonance at the same time.  i think we can choose dissonance or resonance, but somtimes i find myself choosing dissonance by habit alone.   Other times i think i can try to combine both vibes in some creative way such that it actually ends up feeling good and at a higher level is ends up resonating in my being. 

And, yes that is pretty much LOA ... sans any dogmatic baggage ... er, except perhaps my own.
Yep, there are lots of people in the world who wish that everyone who disagrees with them would just shut up or be quiet! Nice work if you can get it. I suspect that with social media that will never happen. Dissonance is no more intentional than resonance & resonance is no more intentional than dissonance. Consciousness involves a capacity of judgment - like it or not.


... me thinks you know ... or should know ... that, wishing "that everyone who disagrees with them would just shut up or be quiet!" is absolutely not what i think resonance is.  but resonance is seeing something the same way ... it is vibrating together.  i can vibrate your way, or you can vibrate my way, or we can find some other's way that er belongs to neither me or you.  Now does that sound anything at all like everybody must do it my way?

incidentally i totally agree ... "Dissonance is no more intentional than resonance & resonance is no more intentional than dissonance. Consciousness involves a capacity of judgment" ... i like it .
I was thinking more of political parties such as the current administration & the communist block of countries & even the Islamists . I suspect you personally would miss arguing so would not want people to go away but that conflicts with hanging out in just resonance ... what a conundrum.


Seth says
Einai 2014-06-11 16:10:16 17467
seth 2014-06-11 15:38:55 17467
source: mark
Hmmm... munging resonance with agreement is a stretch since physical resonance works differently.
... well it is a physical analogy.  almost a model.  the changes work the same.  it is very much like wave mechanics.  But, yes LOA, and me here, are using wave mechanics to model human psychological interactions.

To claim that is a munge is just to intentionally be dissonant with it.  If you want to think the thought and find where the model does not work, that would be great ... then we would actually move our understanding along.  But just to piss on it ... er, that is dissonance for dissonance sake.  Not my thingy. 

source: mark
I am going to my refuge.
... good .

Bozo discovers his own dissonance I still call it RWG.

Me too ... i also call RWG dissonance ... a perculair type of it .

Incidentally the less dissonance the more synergy.  The more synergy the less dissonance.  One might even say resonance (the opposit of dissonance) is synergy .

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 15:38:55 17467
source: mark
Hmmm... munging resonance with agreement is a stretch since physical resonance works differently.
... well it is a physical analogy.  almost a model.  the changes work the same.  it is very much like wave mechanics.  But, yes LOA, and me here, are using wave mechanics to model human psychological interactions.

To claim that is a munge is just to intentionally be dissonant with it.  If you want to think the thought and find where the model does not work, that would be great ... then we would actually move our understanding along.  But just to piss on it ... er, that is dissonance for dissonance sake.  Not my thingy. 

source: mark
I am going to my refuge.
... good .

Bozo discovers his own dissonance I still call it RWG.

Seth says
Einai 2014-06-11 14:53:10 17467
seth 2014-06-11 14:44:03 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 14:30:59 17467
seth 2014-06-11 14:20:12 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 09:18:48 17467
Heh ..heh  --- is dissonance becoming the new n-word?


Well, yes maybe in fact.  Dissonance ... intentional negativity (er arguing for the sake of rwg)  ... is to be shunned ... that may just be my ethic ... but i do believe others before me have recommended it too.  It just feels bad.   Hey, your mileage may well vary ... but most people, me thinks, will want to move away from dissonance ... and not just because you cannot have dissonance & resonance at the same time.  i think we can choose dissonance or resonance, but somtimes i find myself choosing dissonance by habit alone.   Other times i think i can try to combine both vibes in some creative way such that it actually ends up feeling good and at a higher level is ends up resonating in my being. 

And, yes that is pretty much LOA ... sans any dogmatic baggage ... er, except perhaps my own.
Yep, there are lots of people in the world who wish that everyone who disagrees with them would just shut up or be quiet! Nice work if you can get it. I suspect that with social media that will never happen. Dissonance is no more intentional than resonance & resonance is no more intentional than dissonance. Consciousness involves a capacity of judgment - like it or not.


... me thinks you know ... or should know ... that, wishing "that everyone who disagrees with them would just shut up or be quiet!" is absolutely not what i think resonance is.  but resonance is seeing something the same way ... it is vibrating together.  i can vibrate your way, or you can vibrate my way, or we can find some other's way that er belongs to neither me or you.  Now does that sound anything at all like everybody must do it my way?

incidentally i totally agree ... "Dissonance is no more intentional than resonance & resonance is no more intentional than dissonance. Consciousness involves a capacity of judgment" ... i like it .
I was thinking more of political parties such as the current administration & the communist block of countries & even the Islamists . I suspect you personally would miss arguing so would not want people to go away but that conflicts with hanging out in just resonance ... what a conundrum.


Well your last sentence is funny indeed


International conflict ... and dissonance ... it just the very same as between you and I.  I can't think of anything that is at all very different ... except, of course, with you and I we have just two minds to worry about ... but with an international conflict we have the whole cultural mind.  Internationally if people just walk away from the table ... from the dissonance ... it works just fine, as long as they walk away far enough such that both sides can ignore the other.  But if one side decides to impose their view on the other ... well, of course, we get a war.  I don't understand where you saw a conundrum ... i guess that was the funny part .

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-11 15:01:49 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 14:16:52 17467
seth 2014-06-11 13:58:36 17467
Einai 2014-06-11 08:56:46 17467
It is hard for me to resonate with abstract bullshit.  I am more likely to resonate with things like 17470 .  Ever see two people resonating with each other that were not fucking or thinking about it?
Good Vibes to them!

surprise, surprise ... there is such a thing as thoughts resonating.  i live in a world where the metaworld is not always a subject for derision and dissonant judgement.   and it seems to me that particular thought would resonate with those who hold that the consciousness commands and the will follows.
Did you say anything real?  Maybe your mind lives in such a meta-world - walled garden?
Can you prove that thoughts have resonance in the classic definition of resonance? Are you not just arguing meta-analogy?



Well yes i thought i said something very real.  My mind does live isolated in a sense from other minds ... i alluded to that today in my blog when i said "Now since each of our thoughts are intricately connected to our minds, i dont think any thought from your mind can possibly be identical to a similar thought in my mind."  If you don't get that implying this afeared walled garden then i'll go into it in more detail ... but trust me it does.  And no, this is not just my mind, but all human minds suffer from the same isolation.  Now mind and metaworld for me are interchangeable words ... with just very subtile differences for me.  I do believe we have discussed that at leangth and me thinks we should be able to arrive as some similarities of thought in that regard.  But if we do have some serious dissonance there, me thinks we are quite capable, with good will, in turning it into resonance.  So that every time i mention mind or metaworld or refer to  the "walled garden", we don't get this increasingly bad feeling dissonance about it.

And, resonance of thoughts are just thoughts that agree with each other.  They point to the same things and do not disagree on what is being pointed to.  Resonant thought may even agree on how those things are related or how they change ... yet even allowing that they are looking at something from different minds.  No big mysticism there.
Hmmm... munging resonance with agreement is a stretch since physical resonance works differently.
I'm kinda pooped out on this one:

sniff around some more if you like but
this loopie is going poopie.
I am going to my refuge.

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