edges






I've referred to "edges" before.  I doubt that i was understood. 

Here, what i called "edges" are being called "evidence".

I think it is kewl to be aware of edges ... and even emoting towards them


Incidentally ...

I reject the notion that truth is something other than just a personal experience. 


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  2. belief
  3. emotion
  4. bledges
  5. truth
  6. train of thought
  7. trains
  8. evidence
  9. edges
  10. hashtags
  11. GiantClusterPoke
  12. GiantClusterFuck
  13. EgoMungfulness

Comments


Mark de LA says
There are lots of people who rail against belief & the manufacturing of realitn including Werner Erhard

You probably won't get the notion of belief out of Moonchild - enjoyable though it is.  I like the punchline near the end.

Seth says
source: mark
Never used a tag for masturbation. How do YOU do that?
Mark, you use tags to masturbate all the time ... and i continually am forced to delete them on my items.  These tags work against your ability to form retrieval of trains of thoughts at fastblogit among our items.   Lots of people don't get tagging either .... your not alone. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-19 12:07:12 17488
Well mark, you are getting just into obstruction and dissonance for the sake of how it feels to you to do it ... not my thing.  It is devoid of any possibility of an understanding.  I hope it gets you off ... lots of cum ... it just makes me puke .  Good thing i had no particular agenda here to examine except for the comparison and definition of my use of the word "edge".  So have fun here ... i'll leave your ejaculations for just anyone to see. 
Notice who brought up masturbation & ejaculation in this conversation.  You will only need a mirror. Maybe you were only trying to be edgy maybe just nothing else to say except:


Mark de LA says
You like blurred lines & bledgies maybe this would be more productive for you (***)



Mark de LA says
bozo's binary edges - i'll call them bledges

Seth says
interesting train of thought from belief here lead to this book

apparently AC also held that ""Belief is the enemy of knowledge".

See, i claim if you get good at tagging, you can actually form trains of thought right here at fastblogit.  Doesn't work so very well, though, if your taggings have been used for masterbation, however.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-19 10:46:23 17488
source: mark
Never used a tag for masturbation. How do YOU do that?
Mark, you use tags to masturbate all the time ... and i continually am forced to delete them on my items.  These tags work against your ability to form retrieval of trains of thoughts at fastblogit among our items.   Lots of people don't get tagging either .... your not alone. 
Apparently you use the tags in a different way than I can imagine.  Maybe you have a personal problem. Maybe check out porn instead.
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Seth says

and that response, Mark, is just a negative emotional without any substance (evidence) attached. 

in this case is it at least pure ... pure negativitiy ... pure destruction.  i suppose you are proud of it. 

Seth says
Einai 2014-06-19 10:28:42 17488
There are lots of people who rail against belief & the manufacturing of realitn including Werner Erhard

You probably won't get the notion of belief out of Moonchild - enjoyable though it is.  I like the punchline near the end.

Well you are probably right about Moonchild ... perhaps it has nothing to do with passionate believe as opposed to evidence based knowledge that is passionately respected.  I don't know, you read the book and i didn't. 

But my point is that by attaching the one simple tag "belief" to this item it connected it to your 6324 in which you associated the quote,  "Belief is the enemy of knowledge"  to AC's book Moonchild.  That is a train of thought ... a train of association ... between your items and mine ... and it came from using good tagging.

The meme of this item is also saying, "belief is the enemy of knowledge".  To delve into that train of thought, that connection of associations ... you may want to revisit why you blue bolded that sentence in 6324 in March 2007.  If you can remember and inform me of that substance you had back there, it may just move our understanding of useful ways to relate to belief now.  Maybe ... but who knows ... maybe not ... what happened in your mind back then may have nothing to do with what i am calling "edges" now.



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-19 15:27:31 17488
source: mark
Notice who brought up masturbation & ejaculation in this conversation.  You will only need a mirror. Maybe you were only trying to be edgy maybe just nothing else to say except:
Naah nothing to do with any of that and you know it.  I am saying that you are just saying things here that you think enhance your ego relative to me ... they have nothing to do with the topic ... are not intended to inform me or advance the topic in any way. 

I like the idea of finding evidence ... i call them "edges" ... emotional belief in things because it makes you feel this way or that way feel good ... but have no real consequences ... and can change just on a whim or according to what you had for breakfast.   that's what the meme says.
Let's see .... for one who dislikes binary viewpoints you sired one & I pointed it out.  Then I commented upon a book I read & you only put on your reading list. Then I pointed out Erhard as a source of a better conversation on belief. Then YOU BROUGHT UP MASTURBATION by tags.
(it all looks like your ego is into the cheese of RWG)
Take a big whiff! 
..

Seth says
Well mark, you are getting just into obstruction and dissonance for the sake of how it feels to you to do it ... not my thing.  It is devoid of any possibility of an understanding.  I hope it gets you off ... lots of cum ... it just makes me puke .  Good thing i had no particular agenda here to examine except for the comparison and definition of my use of the word "edge".  So have fun here ... i'll leave your ejaculations for just anyone to see. 

Seth says
source: mark
Notice who brought up masturbation & ejaculation in this conversation.  You will only need a mirror. Maybe you were only trying to be edgy maybe just nothing else to say except:
Naah nothing to do with any of that and you know it.  I am saying that you are just saying things here that you think enhance your ego relative to me ... they have nothing to do with the topic ... are not intended to inform me or advance the topic in any way. 

I like the idea of finding evidence ... i call them "edges" ... emotional belief in things because it makes you feel this way or that way feel good ... but have no real consequences ... and can change just on a whim or according to what you had for breakfast.   that's what the meme says.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-20 03:51:05 17488

and that response, Mark, is just a negative emotional without any substance (evidence) attached. 

in this case is it at least pure ... pure negativitiy ... pure destruction.  i suppose you are proud of it. 
& ditto your pride in labeling something I wrote as masturbation thus turning whatever the conversation was about to become into shit! Way to go!


Seth says
source: mark
There is NOTHING sacred about tags or #hashtags or picture memes like Michelle. I am still looking for one which shows Nixon crying about having been thrown out of office for 15 minutes of tape recording versus the IRS destroying a couple of years of emails while going after O's enemies.

Well tags are very effective if used correctly ... and just stupid if used incorrectly.  The tags are not the media representations themselves, ... they are not the actual articles, items, cartoons, or memes themselves.  Rather they link those together ... associating them in trains of thought ... which can be retrieved and remembered. 

Please don't confuse the tags with what they tag!

source: ...
TV programs, K1-12 public education & even the cartoons that kids watch spread memes far more potent than #hashtags or fbi tags. They can spread poison or Amrita , health, & spirituality - a truly conscious person being the difference in what they do. Unfortunately, children are more susceptible to memes that their adults spread & usually are not very conscious until they grow up. .... & they form the society the old folks live out their years within. Given the great unwashed & the politics they choose unconsciously or otherwise it sometimes shows up as a #GiantClusterPoke

An interesting rather dismal view of society, eh?  Most of social media has become this giant source for spreading memes.  I must admit, that i too tire of it.  Still and all it is a thing that is growing and evolving.  Learning how to live within it even transforming its existence is definitely on my agenda.

Incidentally, #GiantClusterPoke, taggs nothing at all ... see search.  As such it is a perversion of the process.  But i am sure you will remain proud of its coin in any case.




Mark de LA says
Belief & Knowledge, like most words are subject to context & definition & have different meanings (semantics?) for different people. Global Warming can be a belief which ignores facts or facts which are interpreted as beliefs. One could hope that knowledge is strongly attracted to experience consciously arrived at using rational &/or scientific methodologies. Beliefs are easier to come by since they mostly resemble what NLP & others call anchors - a charge given to experience or imaginary experience which creates some meaning. Some of a person's own belief systems can be probed using questions - see [this: item 17277]


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-21 07:32:20 17488
Einai 2014-06-21 07:15:28 17488
seth 2014-06-21 06:34:09 17488
Einai 2014-06-20 11:15:43 17488
Einai 2014-06-20 09:35:21 17488
More of PR on belief in this 4th podcast.


Seems to me he just starts out with the premise that you can know what the truth is independent of yourself and then he just proceeds to try to get you to believe that you can just know that truth.  That is the whole direct experience (enlightenment) presumption ... it is the cheese he is selling.  It does grant anybody who goes for it,  an advantage over others.  Sorry, i am not buying into that cheese.  I still do not think that a single human mind can stand at that perspective. Believing that one can is just ...er, passionate belief ... Faith ... there is no evidence. 

But hey, if you do feel an experience of just knowing that which is quite independent of yourself and your history knowing it, then glory in that ... but why tell me about it? .... of what use is your experience to me ... all it can do to me is make me feel wrong and you right by authority of your belief   .... er, therein lies the rub, eh?
Too bad , as always you miss the point. The truth is I just wrote these sentences here.  No big woop! Nothing to haggle over. Just what's so. No diagrams needed. No mentography needed. No RWG to juice up. Just what's so. I know it. Don't need your munge to question it. I am not confused about it.


huh?

Well i'm glad you did post the podcast, i listened to it, and gave you my reaction to it.    I think i did get PR's point ... i just disagree with it ... for the reasons stated. 

The rest of your reactions seems to be something about transactions between you and me ... and is not resonating over here positively ... and nothing could possibly ever come from it ... fun for you, though i am sure.
Yep .... sorry ... there is nothing to disagree with in his podcast ... He just coached a guy to answer the question "Who am I" ... the answer for you (your usual ME? I .... ) must be "I argue" or something like that. Actually you could take take some of the guidance because you always DO NOT hold the possibility that you could even or ever find any truth.
Too bad When you cut off a possibility for yourself guess what happens?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-20 09:38:12 17488
Einai 2014-06-20 09:21:36 17488
seth 2014-06-20 08:52:48 17488
source: mark
Sorry, DUDE - I was trying to avoid the hashtag #GiantClusterFuck -
... ... i'm going to tag your comment egosyntonic ... er, rather it is egosyntonic to you and Egodystonic to me.  Unfortunately comments on items have no identity and therefore cannot be tagged ... anywhere. 

Your #EgoMungfulness is just more of the SOS RWG trying to make my ego seem to be distasteful to whomsoever you imagine as your audience while pretending to be unbiassed & unprejudiced - a worshipper of otherness & Above it all.
Way to GO..


well yes certainly, ... er, but then that describes your comment which started this train, "Sorry, DUDE ...", just as well.   So who are you talking to, me, or more just to yourself? ... er, or did you forget ... and loose focus from your own dissonance and instead project that onto me?
I think this sums all this shit up quite well - from the Wikipedia on Choronzon
Wikipedia: ... "The name of the Dweller in the Abyss is Choronzon, but he is not really an individual. The Abyss is empty of being; it is filled with all possible forms, each equally inane, each therefore evil in the only true sense of the word—that is, meaningless but malignant, in so far as it craves to become real. These forms swirl senselessly into haphazard heaps like dust devils, and each such chance aggregation asserts itself to be an individual and shrieks, "I am I!" though aware all the time that its elements have no true bond; so that the slightest disturbance dissipates the delusion just as a horseman, meeting a dust devil, brings it in showers of sand to the earth."

source: ... In the 20th century he became an important element within the mystical system of Thelema, founded by Aleister Crowley, where he is the Dweller in the Abyss,[1][2] believed to be the last great obstacle between the adept and enlightenment. Thelemites believe that if he is met with proper preparation, then his function is to destroy the ego, which allows the adept to move beyond the Abyss of occult cosmology.
...
... join the club.


Seth says
Einai 2014-06-20 11:15:43 17488
Einai 2014-06-20 09:35:21 17488
More of PR on belief in this 4th podcast.


Seems to me he just starts out with the premise that you can know what the truth is independent of yourself and then he just proceeds to try to get you to believe that you can just know that truth.  That is the whole direct experience (enlightenment) presumption ... it is the cheese he is selling.  It does grant anybody who goes for it,  an advantage over others.  Sorry, i am not buying into that cheese.  I still do not think that a single human mind can stand at that perspective. Believing that one can is just ...er, passionate belief ... Faith ... there is no evidence. 

But hey, if you do feel an experience of just knowing that which is quite independent of yourself and your history knowing it, then glory in that ... but why tell me about it? .... of what use is your experience to me ... all it can do to me is make me feel wrong and you right by authority of your belief   .... er, therein lies the rub, eh?

Seth says
Einai 2014-06-21 07:15:28 17488
seth 2014-06-21 06:34:09 17488
Einai 2014-06-20 11:15:43 17488
Einai 2014-06-20 09:35:21 17488
More of PR on belief in this 4th podcast.


Seems to me he just starts out with the premise that you can know what the truth is independent of yourself and then he just proceeds to try to get you to believe that you can just know that truth.  That is the whole direct experience (enlightenment) presumption ... it is the cheese he is selling.  It does grant anybody who goes for it,  an advantage over others.  Sorry, i am not buying into that cheese.  I still do not think that a single human mind can stand at that perspective. Believing that one can is just ...er, passionate belief ... Faith ... there is no evidence. 

But hey, if you do feel an experience of just knowing that which is quite independent of yourself and your history knowing it, then glory in that ... but why tell me about it? .... of what use is your experience to me ... all it can do to me is make me feel wrong and you right by authority of your belief   .... er, therein lies the rub, eh?
Too bad , as always you miss the point. The truth is I just wrote these sentences here.  No big woop! Nothing to haggle over. Just what's so. No diagrams needed. No mentography needed. No RWG to juice up. Just what's so. I know it. Don't need your munge to question it. I am not confused about it.


huh?

Well i'm glad you did post the podcast, i listened to it, and gave you my reaction to it.    I think i did get PR's point ... i just disagree with it ... for the reasons stated. 

The rest of your reactions seems to be something about transactions between you and me ... and is not resonating over here positively ... and nothing could possibly ever come from it ... fun for you, though i am sure.

Seth says
Incidentally, it does not take a big enlightenment to know for a fact that which we both share and can sense just the same between us.  I think you and I and PR and the rest of the world are quite clear on that point.  That is what i call "edges" ... or evidence ... or just empirical facts.  For example the fact that you just typed a sentence into a response box at fastblogit.  PR's implication is that one can know as facts that which cannot be empirically shared between humans.  That is the implication that he just assumes that i still do not buy. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-21 07:47:52 17488
Incidentally, it does not take a big enlightenment to know for a fact that which we both share and can sense just the same between us.  I think you and I and PR and the rest of the world are quite clear on that point.  That is what i call "edges" ... or evidence ... or just empirical facts.  For example the fact that you just typed a sentence into a response box at fastblogit.  PR's implication is that one can know as facts that which cannot be empirically shared between humans.  That is the implication that he just assumes that i still do not buy. 
That is not in the podcast although other places he does say one must experience & not just believe which is something different.


Seth says
Einai 2014-06-21 07:45:40 17488
NOT YET or your inability now does not limit ME!
PML ...(picture to follow if you need one.)
If you examine it closely limiting yourself & everyone else (in your mind) because you haven't groked it yet is just another rwg.

that, of course, is just you using the cheese that PR (and others) have sold to you.   I already talked about that elsewhere today.   I do see your enlightenment ... your direct experience ...  as cheese ... go for it if you like the taste.  And, OMG, i am so limiting myself ... or maybe i just don't like the taste of your cheese.   Thank you, but no thanks, I am quite content with an austere low calorie diet.

But,  Mrs Lincoln, how does the cheese actually taste?  I crave a more detailed and passionate description.

Seth says
Einai 2014-06-21 07:40:08 17488

  Actually you could take take some of the guidance because you always DO NOT hold the possibility that you could even or ever find any truth.
Too bad When you cut off a possibility for yourself guess what happens?


Huh? ... where did you get the contra factual idea that I "DO NOT hold the possibility that I could even or ever find any truth" ?    You have said that accusation time and again to me.  I wish you would get it into your skull that the truth of the matter is almost exactly opposite to that.

In fact almost every time i write here it is a meditation attempting to arrive as something that feels true.  I continually read it back to see if it still feels true.  I edit it to make it feel truer and truer.  Why would i do that were that i thought there was no possibility that i could ever find any truth?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-21 08:15:40 17488
Einai 2014-06-21 07:40:08 17488

  Actually you could take take some of the guidance because you always DO NOT hold the possibility that you could even or ever find any truth.
Too bad When you cut off a possibility for yourself guess what happens?


Huh? ... where did you get the contra factual idea that I "DO NOT hold the possibility that I could even or ever find any truth" ?    You have said that accusation time and again to me.  I wish you would get it into your skull that the truth of the matter is almost exactly opposite to that.

In fact almost every time i write here it is a meditation attempting to arrive as something that feels true.  I continually read it back to see if it still feels true.  I edit it to make it feel truer and truer.  Why would i do that were that i thought there was no possibility that i could ever find any truth?
how many times do you rail against truth & just above did it again in response to PR's podcast,
HUH?

Seth says
Einai 2014-06-21 08:21:01 17488
seth 2014-06-21 08:15:40 17488
Einai 2014-06-21 07:40:08 17488

  Actually you could take take some of the guidance because you always DO NOT hold the possibility that you could even or ever find any truth.
Too bad When you cut off a possibility for yourself guess what happens?


Huh? ... where did you get the contra factual idea that I "DO NOT hold the possibility that I could even or ever find any truth" ?    You have said that accusation time and again to me.  I wish you would get it into your skull that the truth of the matter is almost exactly opposite to that.

In fact almost every time i write here it is a meditation attempting to arrive as something that feels true.  I continually read it back to see if it still feels true.  I edit it to make it feel truer and truer.  Why would i do that were that i thought there was no possibility that i could ever find any truth?
how many times do you rail against truth & just above did it again in response to PR's podcast,
HUH?

I do not rail against truth.  I rail against the assumption it is something other than just a personal experience. 

Seth says
source: Mark
so you deleted my last post just to prove it, eh?
PML ...
Well it actually has been a long standing rule that i do not allow you to post content free RWG to end a dialogue on my blog. 

I don't understand why you even bother to still do it.


Seth says
source: mark
ENJOY IT!  When one only accepts his own stuff & yet his language & context always is in a pool of other people (community, networks, humanity, the leviathan .....) there appears for me a conundrum.  Why would I want to read, listen to or speak to that person? For whom could he possibly be writing or speaking for except himself.  Hence the picture of his behavior from my point of view is applicable.

... ... and just where did this preposterous notion that "i only accept my own stuff"  come from?  

I mean, come on now, after all i have said to the contrary ... some of which you have even waved at above in your accusation.

But still with all the help i get from you and everyone else in the world, the only experience of truth that i actually have is my own ... i cannot feel your feeling of truth ... i cannot feel every humans collectively ... and i certainly cannot feel the whole universe's. 

Seth says
this is a rather long train of thought encrusted with many barbs and barnacles.  but as it has bubbled up again in the edges context, i wonder why it was put in egodystonic which is  "a psychological term referring to behaviors, values, feelings that are in harmony with or acceptable to the needs and goals of the ego, or consistent with one's ideal self-image."   Here we are only talking about edges and experience ... not stories about our selves.  So why did you connect edges to "the needs and goals of the ego consistent with one's ideal self image" ??

  ... just curious.

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