The T-word

Bozo: ... I reject the notion that truth is something other than just a personal experience. 
... Why converse at all, then?  Maybe truth is just another n-word as such it is on equal footing with opinion & just personal & most likely should be shunned;  just something to be shunned unless it belongs to your own mind.  All the wasted human evolution on logic, rational thought, etc. is just noise & mental masturbation.
    Governments are not obliged to be transparent about anything like truth. Truth is just the optics, narrative & opinions of politicians speaking here in USA as spokespeople for the "American people".  Freedom of speech means that the ruling class can lie through their teeth & not bear any responsibility or consequences, eh?
...  I declare that all you say is just your own shit
All your blogs, journals, news programs, tweets, instagrams, government propaganda, political parties & words coming out of your mouth ... are mere noise! Gather a crowd who agree with you & they still are just a noisy crowd. It all must be condemned to having a half-life of seconds!

I declare a requiem for truth



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Mark de LA says
That which is, IS! What is so is SO.  Facts are facts. Because I don't know everything which IS, SO or a fact I used to rely on others to fill in the gaps that are important to me. If what others supply is only opinion or their own truth I have been relying on shit. What a relief to unburden myself of all of that. My tears can turn to joy!
Although what IS, is SO & a fact no longer has the quality of what used to be called truth & has been munged into soul qualia of feelings doings & thoughts - not to be trusted by anyone except the originator.
Snatched confusion out of the arms of joy!

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-21 21:21:18 17495
well yes certainly facts are facts and what is so can be mutually verified and agreed upon ... and it  cannot be denied ... those edges are always there ... the sun came up this morning ... you typed your commens into fastblogit and facebook ... evidence is evidance .... ask your wife if you took a shit today, if she says so, then you almost certainly certainly did.  Nothing strange at all ... move along ... no disagreement necessary.  
so if you were worried ... the day is saved after all ... and i will celebrate with you

.... HALLEUJAH !!!!
The challenge here appears to be that what is important to me in what I said here by me is not important to you in the same way & even looses the "truth" in what I say for something else that shows up in your mind via my touchstone.
.'. one can't pass along "truths" apparently
requiem keeps on playing.


Seth says
Einai 2014-06-22 00:59:53 17495
seth 2014-06-21 21:21:18 17495
well yes certainly facts are facts and what is so can be mutually verified and agreed upon ... and it  cannot be denied ... those edges are always there ... the sun came up this morning ... you typed your commens into fastblogit and facebook ... evidence is evidance .... ask your wife if you took a shit today, if she says so, then you almost certainly certainly did.  Nothing strange at all ... move along ... no disagreement necessary.  
so if you were worried ... the day is saved after all ... and i will celebrate with you

.... HALLEUJAH !!!!
The challenge here appears to be that what is important to me in what I said here by me is not important to you in the same way & even looses the "truth" in what I say for something else that shows up in your mind via my touchstone.
.'. one can't pass along "truths" apparently
requiem keeps on playing.


well yes certainly your mind will not feel what my mind feels and visa versa ... or they would be identical minds ... which they can never be.  that does appear to be a verifiable and shareable fact ... it is an edge on which we both can rely.  instead of truth, what if we were talking of  pain or joy ... would you expect that such a feeling could be just transmuted from your being to my being ... eh, no way Jose. 

take forisnstance your requiem ... your "" there regarding not being able to pass along truths.   my mind used to feel that sadness too ... but now it has changed and i get more of a curiosity,  a kind of   feeling ... and the grock of a grand possibility of feeling quit other than i myself have ever felt before.  i wish i could compose music ... and could go there from to ... i kind of wrote a simple poem about it once.



Mark de LA says
Strange sympatico - not truth yet though?  or not?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-22 08:44:09 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:29:48 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:27:38 17495
Certainty is a belief in a feeling & a feeling in a belief as to what is possible or what something means. Lots of luck with the walls you create from certainty.
nice poem though ..


well i like the way you put it ... "certainty is a belief in a feeling and a feeling in a belief" ... perfect .  

it does feel good to believe that the sun will rise tomorrow and that i will eat my prunes then and i will ask Denise what she wants for breakfast and that she will probably say cereal.  i just love those reliable edges that we all feel and agree upon ... they are not walls between us ... rather quite the opposite.  any pursuit of truth is the pursuit of those things that we can share ... so they are not walls ... they are more like doors. 
What truth? Once you are certain about something other things contrary are ruled out of possibility - did you miss that or just munge it in with warmie feelings about breakfast?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-22 10:49:14 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:48:26 17495
seth 2014-06-22 08:44:09 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:29:48 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:27:38 17495
Certainty is a belief in a feeling & a feeling in a belief as to what is possible or what something means. Lots of luck with the walls you create from certainty.
nice poem though ..


well i like the way you put it ... "certainty is a belief in a feeling and a feeling in a belief" ... perfect .  

it does feel good to believe that the sun will rise tomorrow and that i will eat my prunes then and i will ask Denise what she wants for breakfast and that she will probably say cereal.  i just love those reliable edges that we all feel and agree upon ... they are not walls between us ... rather quite the opposite.  any pursuit of truth is the pursuit of those things that we can share ... so they are not walls ... they are more like doors. 
What truth? Once you are certain about something other things contrary are ruled out of possibility - did you miss that or just munge it in with warmie feelings about breakfast?


Well its the same thing for a mind to feel certain about something or to feel that it is true.    Such feelings have a spectrum and "certainty" names an extreme point on that spectrum.  But like all feelings it is strictly a local affair ... felt differently by one mind or another.  Its hard to specify what contributes to a mind feeling something is true or something is certain.  For me evidence and facts that others also acknowledge or share or can verify contributes much to my feelings.  But new evidence and facts and possibilities are always being discovered.  for example people were quite certain that the world was flat, but when it was circumnavigated that certainty was replaced by another.   So yes, certainty can be a wall working against discovering new truth ... that side of this coin, i believe is called "stubbornness" or "obstanance". 

Well I certainly feel that you munged any notion I used to have about truth away in that one!
I declare a CONTINUOUS requiem for truth

BUT WHY BOTHER BROTHER?
YOU'RE NOT PASSING any ON - THE FUNERAL IS OVER - The giant abyss is full of emptyness -
listen to the music - before even it is lost in that abyss.



Seth says
Einai 2014-06-22 08:48:26 17495
seth 2014-06-22 08:44:09 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:29:48 17495
Einai 2014-06-22 08:27:38 17495
Certainty is a belief in a feeling & a feeling in a belief as to what is possible or what something means. Lots of luck with the walls you create from certainty.
nice poem though ..


well i like the way you put it ... "certainty is a belief in a feeling and a feeling in a belief" ... perfect .  

it does feel good to believe that the sun will rise tomorrow and that i will eat my prunes then and i will ask Denise what she wants for breakfast and that she will probably say cereal.  i just love those reliable edges that we all feel and agree upon ... they are not walls between us ... rather quite the opposite.  any pursuit of truth is the pursuit of those things that we can share ... so they are not walls ... they are more like doors. 
What truth? Once you are certain about something other things contrary are ruled out of possibility - did you miss that or just munge it in with warmie feelings about breakfast?


Well its the same thing for a mind to feel certain about something or to feel that it is true.    Such feelings have a spectrum and "certainty" names an extreme point on that spectrum.  But like all feelings it is strictly a local affair ... felt differently by one mind or another.  Its hard to specify what contributes to a mind feeling something is true or something is certain.  For me evidence and facts that others also acknowledge or share or can verify contributes much to my feelings.  But new evidence and facts and possibilities are always being discovered.  for example people were quite certain that the world was flat, but when it was circumnavigated that certainty was replaced by another.   So yes, certainty can be a wall working against discovering new truth ... that side of this coin, i believe is called "stubbornness" or "obstanance". 

Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-06-22 11:34:28 17495
The stigmatizing & disappearing act of the t-word is complete. Truth joins God & Love!


... a pile of words or just a game ..



Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-06-23 08:32:08 17495
seth 2014-06-23 08:21:29 17495
Well, me, i don't feel any sadness that the old story of The Truth is no longer tenable and has died.  It had gotten in the way of itself anyway, and was too easily corrupted.  Now we need not dream of a clarity unassailable ... and instead must hold to evidence that we can actually share between our selves.  Humanity's childhood is over ... perhaps now we can take responsibility for what we do, say, and feel ... which responsibility can no longer be delegated to a story of grandeur quite beyond our existence.
No, I do not mourn the death of The Truth ... i celebrate it ... and hail the birth of what actually feels more like a better truth.
Mungefulness & arrogance while stuck in the qualia-pit also looks like this - your celebration. The bolded is not absent trom Truth; but in your pit you can feel like you are winning the RWG by declaring it is.




Mark de LA says
image; Bozo's half-life for truth.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-06-23 08:39:25 17495
Einai 2014-06-23 08:33:51 17495
Einai 2014-06-23 08:32:08 17495
seth 2014-06-23 08:21:29 17495
Well, me, i don't feel any sadness that the old story of The Truth is no longer tenable and has died.  It had gotten in the way of itself anyway, and was too easily corrupted.  Now we need not dream of a clarity unassailable ... and instead must hold to evidence that we can actually share between our selves.  Humanity's childhood is over ... perhaps now we can take responsibility for what we do, say, and feel ... which responsibility can no longer be delegated to a story of grandeur quite beyond our existence.
No, I do not mourn the death of The Truth ... i celebrate it ... and hail the birth of what actually feels more like a better truth.
Mungefulness & arrogance while stuck in the qualia-pit also looks like this - your celebration. The bolded is not absent trom Truth; but in your pit you can feel like you are winning the RWG by declaring it is.





Well i would be a rich man if i got a penny for each instance of a person so delegating their responsibility.  Next time i hear it go by, i'll point it out. 
No delegation of my responsibility anywhere here. If anyone does that here it a bozo who delegates meaning of words to community, "we humans" & the like.


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