pope francis approves revival of exorcism as official catholic practice



We tell stories about beings with faces which attribute personal characteristics to anthropomorphic vegetables.  The stories are in our imagination.  The vegetables are real.  We also tell stories about angels and daemons and also give them anthropomorphic characteristics.  Those stores are also in our imagination.  The anthropomorphic characteristics of the angels ... er, well those characteristics are just stories ... but the beings themselves, sans our spass ... well those forces exist just like the vegetables ... do they not?


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Seth says
ncidentally, it must be noted that outside of reports in the press, i can find on evidence on any official Catholic websites that Pope Francis actually recognizes exorcism or the existence of daemons.  Here is one official rather lengthy espousal of Catholic doctrine re demonology

source: source: the report in Observation Ramano with apparently spawned this story

By decree of 13 June 2014, the Congregation for the Clergy has legally recognized the International Association exorcists (IEA). According to canon 322 paragraph 1 of the Codex iuris canonical, it has approved the statutes, giving the IEA private legal status as an international private association of the faithful according to the canon 116 paragraph 2, with all the rights and obligations established by the Code . The idea of ​​bringing in association exorcists came to Italy to Father Gabriele Amorth, a religious of the Society of St. Paul, in the eighties of the last century. At that time it was spreading occult practices and a growing number of faithful, believing in danger or threatened, turned to exorcists. Then matured in the Pauline idea of ​​bringing together the exorcists to exchange experiences and ideas in order to offer a more practical and effective help to those who turned them. Thus was born, September 4, 1991, the Association of Italian exorcists. The IEA approval by the Holy See "is a source of joy not only for us members, but for the whole Church," said Father Francesco Bamonte, president of the association since 2012, recalling that God calls some priests "in this valuable ministry of exorcism and deliverance, "with the task of" accompany with humility, faith and charity "these people" in need of a specific spiritual and pastoral care "to support them and encourage them in the" path of liberation and to rekindle in them the hope
...

Seth says
Einai 2014-07-06 09:02:30 17521
If one has lost his eyesight does that mean that the visual world no longer exists? The Anthrosophical World outlook holds that at in ancient times we all had clairvoyance & lived amongst the beings of angels & nature & demons, etc.  We lost it though so we could evolve conscious rational thought & freer will. How are we doing with those, eh?


well not knowing, not seeing, is a two edged sword.  when no evidence exists, any story can be true, or just made up.  then too it may be partially true and partially made up.  that is where  conscious rational thought leads us. 

but there are forces that we can feel in action today ... my assertion, raised here, is that there is no evidence whatsoever to associate anthropomorphic characteristics to those forces.

Seth says
Einai 2014-07-07 09:54:19 17521
Such is why I am developing this q-ton of Why bother conversing into such a listening of STORY?
and
Why waste the time?
I am certainly not unhappy with my weltanshaung !

good for you ... i didn't even know that such was in question here.  but, yes, to be honest, i can see how you might presume that it was.

in fact therein might lie the drama in the story that meg is telling.  Don't eat the fruit that grows from the event, for you as you will certainly die!  Your qualia will be their qualia and will feel quite alien to you.  OMG, don't do it.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-08 09:05:33 17521

Well you seem to set "the narrative" on the opposite end of a spectrum from "pragmatic and practical".  Me, i do not do  that.  So i get that (and this may not be true at all) you see what i call "the narrative" or "story" as a fake fiction.  But to me it must exist and is always there whether i like it or not.  In a way it is the spirit of my life.  Sans a narrative the things of my life would feel like nothing ... their qualia would not spring forth ... rather i would be in some loop subject only to my base emotions.

Yeah, whatever you story about my weltanshauung & how it might/would (or NOT) work in you is OK . I am complete with that. I am happy with mine.  It is not practical to try to match differences.



Mark de LA says
At this moment I am more into the pragmatic & practical. Opinions & story are less useful. Still over the years I have developed a Weltanshauung which works for me. You may liken it to a story & yet for me it works. RS-GW-AC-TR-RB-MH-PR-WE-LEC-UCLA-PJ2-USN-& all the friends & lovers along the way - (relatives included) etc. have all contributed to my research which will never be finished.



Seth says
Well you seem to set "the narrative" on the opposite end of a spectrum from "pragmatic and practical".  Me, i do not do  that.  So i get that (and this may not be true at all) you see what i call "the narrative" or "story" as a fake fiction.  But to me it must exist and is always there whether i like it or not.  In a way it is the spirit of my life.  Sans a narrative the things of my life would feel like nothing ... their qualia would not spring forth ... rather i would be in some loop subject only to my base emotions.

Seth says
source: Einai 2014-07-07 12:24:28 [item 17521]
At least you are able to maintain your own opinion & perpetuate your own story about things!
KEWL
... yet actually that is not so very true over here.  My narratives break down all the time and i am continually having to make up or find new ones. 

is it not the same with you?

Seth says
Einai 2014-07-07 12:24:28 17521
At least you are able to maintain your own opinion & perpetuate your own story about things!
KEWL



so the qualia for you seems ... and i can only feel the outside of it ... to be all about how bozo's opinions and his ability to maintain & perpetuate his own story.  whereas i'm like feeling about how we anthrophomortize fruit and tell stories about them just like we anthropomorphize daemons and tell their stories too. 

foreign qualia just taste so bland ... so got to go for the salt , eh?



Seth says
Einai 2014-07-07 10:36:14 17521
seth 2014-07-07 10:12:12 17521
Einai 2014-07-07 09:54:19 17521
Such is why I am developing this q-ton of Why bother conversing into such a listening of STORY?
and
Why waste the time?
I am certainly not unhappy with my weltanshaung !

is the q-ton to be an antidote ... how will it work ... how will it protect us from these alien qualia?
Maybe just read the stuff in blue & get the message without all the window dressing & pile of words.  I suspect that  meg is just another of your aliases.


well yes i can see the stuff in blue as your anti dote ... i mean you always do take that pill, that feigned lack of interest and comprehension, just when things get feeling too sticky for you.  i understand.  take a double dose ... then report to the clinic in the morning.

meg is a group in which a story is emerging ... no secret there.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-07 08:54:13 17521
Einai 2014-07-07 08:32:15 17521
seth 2014-07-07 06:51:22 17521
Einai 2014-07-06 09:02:30 17521
If one has lost his eyesight does that mean that the visual world no longer exists? The Anthrosophical World outlook holds that at in ancient times we all had clairvoyance & lived amongst the beings of angels & nature & demons, etc.  We lost it though so we could evolve conscious rational thought & freer will. How are we doing with those, eh?


well not knowing, not seeing, is a two edged sword.  when no evidence exists, any story can be true, or just made up.  then too it may be partially true and partially made up.  that is where  conscious rational thought leads us. 

but there are forces that we can feel in action today ... my assertion, raised here, is that there is no evidence whatsoever to associate anthropomorphic characteristics to those forces.
O, I wasn't either. Then too one may experience a higher being that way if that is the way that being desires you to experience its being;  your lacking faculties to grok otherwise.


or maybe Lucifer came in like an asteroid and effected the crops we eat in our fruits and vegetables .. and Ahriman, he comes from the core of the earth in volcanic eruptions.  when we believe stories we are not limited to just the old ones we grew up with as children, there being no way to verify. *me* lacking faculties to grock, is not a lever to select this or that one.
Yep, everything is a story including YOU (in your world) !

Seth says
Einai 2014-07-08 09:14:21 17521
seth 2014-07-08 09:05:33 17521

Well you seem to set "the narrative" on the opposite end of a spectrum from "pragmatic and practical".  Me, i do not do  that.  So i get that (and this may not be true at all) you see what i call "the narrative" or "story" as a fake fiction.  But to me it must exist and is always there whether i like it or not.  In a way it is the spirit of my life.  Sans a narrative the things of my life would feel like nothing ... their qualia would not spring forth ... rather i would be in some loop subject only to my base emotions.

Yeah, whatever you story about my weltanshauung & how it might/would (or NOT) work in you is OK . I am complete with that. I am happy with mine.  It is not practical to try to match differences.



Mark, mark ... i do try not to tell a story about *your* weltanshaung for that is for you and you alone to do ... and yes totally, were that i did it would certainly be me telling the story and not your real narrative (or the spirit of what you are doing).   But we *do* live in the same world of facts and relationships and their changes.  Actual communications about those things which we share and how our respective narratives connect with them is something that *is* practical for us to do.  One might even presume that is what we are doing here ... er, why we are here ... but then that would be just a story that i made up right now off the top of my head .


Seth says
the thing about these narratives is their power when more than one person believes them.   hmmm ... i wonder if we could call that "magic".  but less presumptively we could just write that story about the power of agreement

Seth says
i detected an edge in myself.  When i am truly curious about how Mark will react to something i have said ... then i am on the right track with our dialogue ... but when i expect him to respond habitually, i am not.  That is an edge inside me.  Strange i never knew it was there until just about now. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-08 10:59:40 17521

and to tell a bit of spass about the power of agreement i submit the following video ...





Nice cartoon - epigrammatic content.



meg says
source: Einai 2014-07-08 11:34:43 [item 17521]

I am having a hard time finding anything useful in this conversation.  I am not inclined to dig hard to find it. Philosophy is not very useful except perhaps for a professor or writer of books & epigrams. This item is not practical for anything I am doing with the possible exception of talking with Seth.
I don't care about exorcism & watched the movie anyway.

... well Metamorphosis, the story yet lacks the drama of an exorcism ... er, but i am working on it.  but the story seems to be a telling of an  alien possession.  i wrote some paragraphs at various stages of the narrative ... perhaps i should make those public ... and then write a paragraph of it where  some drama that you might expect is actually happening.

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