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Sebastian Nozzi

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Nothingness

“Nothing is what rocks dream about”
-- Aristotle


While the question "*why* is there something rather than nothing"belongs to the study of metaphysics (and not to philosophy of mind) I always found it interesting to try to imagine, to try to picture, ... non-reality.

- Can you picture nothingness?
- Can you imagine the alternative to our situation? That is: nothing, absolutely nothing, existing?
- Or is it something our minds find difficult / impossible to do?
- Does our minds perhaps even resist doing it...?

Personally I find it very difficult, fascinating and scary at the same time. But if you think about it, don't we do this every day? (when sleeping?)

P.S. You don't need to read the linked page; it's only if you want extra information.

P.S.2. By "absolutely nothing" I mean really really nothing, the opposite of something (even its possibility). No potentialities or actualities. Yes, that includes the quantum vacuum ;-)

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/nothingness/

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Comments


Seth says
M 2014-07-17 07:21:00 17534
Another commedian shows where nothing exists: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L29KmQxEA3E


 sumed it up nicely .

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-16 08:14:43 17534
so how do you feel about that which is ?? 

Me, i am amazed that it is ... i glory in it .  It is an emotion, dude.  Sans that emotional attachment that i have to it,  ... it would be pretty much just nothing to me .
This item is about nothing - therefore you are on track! Pardon me for not getting sidetracked on something!


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-16 07:27:13 17534
Einai 2014-07-16 06:10:15 17534
seth 2014-07-16 05:16:07 17534
Well me, I glory in the fact that nothing does not exist .
Maybe. What kind of nothing? Zero? Fact?
Enjoy the glory?


I'm talking of absolute nothing, as discussed above, it has no kind, it is no fact, it does not even count.  But there is a fact that we share, and that is that nothing does not exist.  A fact just as certain as we both saw the light of day this very morning.

There is no question of enjoying a glory ... that is what one does when they glories in something. ... it is just a non specified positive emotion about something.  I've heard some people glory in their Self ... me, i like mine ... but i don't feel like glorying in it.  Now, that nothing does not exist,  .... er, that i like to glory in ... especially since i have heard the same thing said quite from the opposite perspective.
Yeah! Arguing about nothing is a favorite pastime of ours.
I prefer the THAT WHICH IS, IS! form of it all.
Some do claim there are four forms of nothing. One has to know what one is talking about.
I like PR's ontological explanation & clarity better than your bold-faced declaration.  You are the dude that brought up glory.


Mark de LA says
Einai 2014-07-17 06:23:02 17534
seth 2014-07-17 05:14:00 17534
Nothing is a strange bugger ... it does not exist.  There is nothing about it, that I can think for it has no characteristics.  All I can talk about is how its absence affects me.   But, hey, if you think you can say something actually just about nothing ... have at it ... i am all ears.

Sinefeld, The Pitch
People in politics talk about nothing   all the time when they are not lying or something else.
Strange we have a word that points to nothing.
I wonder what that word points to if it doesn't exist? Why did the human race invent a word to point to something that does not exist?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-16 11:03:04 17534
Einai 2014-07-16 10:14:51 17534
seth 2014-07-16 08:14:43 17534
so how do you feel about that which is ?? 

Me, i am amazed that it is ... i glory in it .  It is an emotion, dude.  Sans that emotional attachment that i have to it,  ... it would be pretty much just nothing to me .
This item is about nothing - therefore you are on track! Pardon me for not getting sidetracked on something!


seems to me the best use of this concept called "nothing" is the amazement it affords that is does not exist.  *I* grok no "sidetrack".   However i expect that for you, such a sidetrack, must exist.
 
you are talking about amazement neither nothing nor something - enjoy the side track!


Mark de LA says
Some are confusing the word nothing with what the ontology, epistemology & symantics of the word is of the word. Munging all that & more is what creates the fun, argumentation & hence Nozzi's G+ post.


Mark de LA says
It is interesting that the google search parameter for a website
me: ... "me, I" site:fastblogit.com
... yields 571 results
Appropriately such abundance was previously hailed in 17215


Seth says
M 2014-07-17 08:32:07 17534
Some are confusing the word nothing with what the ontology, epistemology & symantics of the word is of the word. Munging all that & more is what creates the fun, argumentation & hence Nozzi's G+ post.


Yep, agreed .

Pokémons are fictional characters in a commercial game of collecting ... they exist only within that game.   "Nothing" exists only in a linguistic game called logic.  It exists in mind ... in the metaworld ... not in the world itself.  I totally love to grock the relationship between those worlds.  Munging them together is, me thinks, the source of lots of shit.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-07-17 07:23:03 17534
source: mark
I wonder what that word points to if it doesn't exist? Why did the human race invent a word to point to something that does not exist?, o

Well we invent words that point to things that do not exist all the time, for example the word  "Pokémon".   Linguistically the word "nothing" is also a logical necessity of the operator called "not".   So then we can say "not any thing", but saying that does not cause any experiential situation to exist.  In other words, "nothing" is an artifact of our language ... not an aspect of our universe.  But of course a person an condition their mind to believe the opposite; or to reify nothing quite into existence in their mind.   Me, i don't do that.  I don't subscribe to the premise that if you can think it, then it exists and can be experienced in some universe apart from a linguistically imagined one.  But of course that is just me.   I am all ears to listening to how people have actually done it.

"not" mostly in logic & logical language means the negation of what follows.  "not" The Universe = nothing. Anything else exists.  For the bolded italic part refer to 15612.
Pokémon is a game, eh?

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