My Inside, My Soul, My Spirit

This item represents the world of my private experience of which only I am aware ... only i experience ... only i can experience.   It cannot be shared directly ... as such it is not part of The World ... but I can communicated about it through language, art, and media.   It , aka "I", interpret the metaworld of signs in The World ... which get represented inside me.  I call those representations "my mind". 

And somtimes i just want to shout! …

"WE EACH OF US HAVE AN INSIDE AND AN OUTSIDE ... ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!"

seth

Shared on facebook here.

Here is an example of what prometed me to shout ...
 mark on 2015-08-31 12:05:09  denies that people’s thougts are private only to themselves

seth responds:  "Argubaly any private event produces a sign observable on the outside.   A person adept in reading those signs can almost appear as a mind reader.  But a sign is not the thing that made it.  A tiger’s tracks in wet mud are not the tiger.  So mind reading is just good tracking, however adapt. There is still only private access to what happens inside .... a limitation built into the predicament.  People’s denial of it prompted me to shout once, WE EACH OF US HAVE AN INSIDE AND AN OUTSIDE ... ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ON!"

tag #InsideOutside 
 


 

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  1. philosophy
  2. insides
  3. bozo sayings
  4. item 18736
  5. outsides
  6. item 17568
  7. infinite nothing
  8. accept and move on
  9. manifold
  10. delveIfYouDare
  11. rwg
  12. InsideOutside

Comments


Mark de LA says
In 3D it depends upon where you draw the convex/concave surface. Constatly the physical is exchanging air, water vapor, cells & if you follow embryonogy the original blastula is a sphere 1-cell deep. It also depends upon what you identigy as the point of view & who is doing the observing. etc. Outside becomes inside. A tube (digestive system) originally outside becomes something inside. With mental stuff it is more confusing since the mind seems to be able to focus within the body & outside the body, but if I discard that geometry I am everywhere revealed by my attention.
 


Seth says
the point of view is fixed by who can experience what ... I cannot experience your qualia ... hence those are inside you and outside me.  that edge is not a arbitrary line drawn for the sake of a story or an argument, rather it is what is so in this universe.

Seth says
choy 2015-10-26 08:30:50 17568
seth 2015-10-26 08:28:16 17568
the point of view is fixed by who can experience what ... I cannot experience your qualia ... hence those are inside you and outside me.  that edge is not a arbitrary line drawn for the sake of a story or an argument, rather it is what is so in this universe.
Or UP yours down theirs etc ... those prepositions are characteristic of different ontologies.


the prepositions, "inside" or "outside", are just part of how the situation is expressed.  they are not part of the predicament.   the predicament is established by what is so:  I can only experience my qualia, you can only experience your qualia.  Inside/outside just paint a picture about that, filling in dots and predicting.  So i agree, the prepositions are part of a story only .

Pontius Pontificatus says
& the word soup & word salad buffet reopens losing my interest
... Sensation & Conception are two sides of the same coin. It is all in the way you look at it. Abstraction can divide unity into numerous categories, but the Reality is still a Unity

Seth says
Iamnai 2015-10-26 10:08:45 17568
seth 2015-10-26 09:39:06 17568
So all i have really said here is ...

"I can only experience my qualia, you can only experience your qualia."

The rest of the story follows from that ... accept it and move on!

No inside/outside ontology involved.  No story of unity or percepion/conception can change  that simple fact of what is so.
For some value of the word qualia. Rather recursive see on qualia. No inside, no outside, no soul no spirit - just a definition. Nothing to move on from.


i am using "qualia" here as a catch all reference for all subjective experience ... that which is private to one person and cannot be accessed by another. 

i am focusing on a single fact that cannot be denied ... the move on from that would be to what consequences that single fact implies.

Seth says
source: mark

Yep, not[h]ing indeed.
 
vast consequences follow from simple facts. 

your not knowing those consequences, is the absence of their representation inside of you.

Seth says
choy 2015-10-26 12:38:59 17568
seth 2015-10-26 12:29:45 17568
source: mark shared some negative attitudes from inside himself

Exaggerated importance of infinite nothing.
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& the word soup & word salad buffet continues to lose my interest 
... Sensation & Conception are two sides of the same coin. It is all in the way you look at it. Abstraction can divide unity into numerous categories, but the Reality is still a Unity


The otherness Clown snides out & RWG's himself again missing a rather interesting wallaby to wrap himselfness in - to wit

Exaggerated importance of infinite nothing.


i don't know, i took your "exaggerated importance" of "infinite nothing" as just your judgement on my "vast consequences".   But a consequence is not nothing, and  knowing such consequences is important to me.  

So your apparent judging of consequences-unknown, is going KLUNK inside my head. 

maybe you would best  keep your  judgements of importance, and of what is nothing, inside there until they can be useful to both of us.

Seth says
source: mark

Yep appreciation of otherness on YOUR parts goes klunk as you have shown otherwise

Well i have no idea what you are really saying in this item  ... or why it always carries some negative emotion or judgement with it. 

Honestly i cannot see into your mind.  <-- hmmm ...
 

Seth says
thing is infinite nothing has nothing to do with this natural barrier between us which is a consequence of the fact "I can only experience my qualia, you can only experience your qualia."

... or if it does have something to do with it, that something is still just a story in your mind.  sans your communication of that relationship, it will remain inside there.   i am not going to try to guess it.

klunk says
seth 2015-10-26 14:40:10 17568
klunk 2015-10-26 14:25:54 17568
the fun part is trying to wrap yourself around the whole phrase - 5 words.

mark, i am not going to guess.  communicate or move on.
YEP,

Mark de LA says
Someday connect to the RS eLib & study his notions & research on the Spirits of Form & the early evolution of the Human condition & learn that inside & outside was irrelevant in many & much of the early evolution.   http://wn.rsarchive.org/search=mode?query=spirits+of+form&mode=context  enjoy. 
Someday in the future the condition may arrive again with other faculties of consciousness added. 
The prepositions inside & outside are only facile because we wander around in these bag of bones & meat & blood and gas (O2/CO2/H2S...) considering ourselves as separate whereas drawing the lines of separateness is imprecise depending on your context & ability to draw them. 
P.S. this item came up because of links in an old post on todays hex #34/4 – ignore if you choose.  We must have spent some time on it for me to leave a trace in my journal that day: 10/27/2015
(*) is interesting too on the heart chakra.  Separateness is also a topic in the elib

Si says

Si says
Yep. That’s what LOA says too.   

Seth says
Strange nobody seams to have noticed that  i keep shouting about two aspects of the fact of insides and outsides. 
  1. that the boundary between them is porous to one degree or another, and
  2. that the boundary can be set just wherever an individual can set it. 
Mostly when people rebel against the fact that they have an inside and an outside, they do so because they have not recognized that they are free to concoct it wherever they can.  That is certainly born our by RS’s worlds where he recognized that it was different in the past, and will doubtlessly be different in the future. 

Si says

Si says
I have no problem with that. LOA, Zen, etc., etc. all say the outside is just a mirror of what is inside already anyway. Makes total sense to me that you can set the mirror up anywhere you want.  

Mark de LA says
Yep, nothing is anywhere & there is a lot of it. The same goes for anything & thus for everything.  Inside & outside are prepositions which describe morphological, & topologically concepts & contexts hard to pin down. See a klein bottle. Sharing something is also hard to pin down. Can two individuals have the same thing at the same time ← also hard to pin down.  Enjoy the flow.  Ego versus epistemology is a bitch.
Moebius gears

Si says
That was some #reallyGoodShit till this happend “Enjoy the flow.  Ego versus epistemology is a bitch” … then it just #stunkUpThePlace.

Mark de LA says

Mark de LA says
Navigator landed on a moebius space where he is looking up & experiencing his own rectum. thumbs up

Seth says
Well “Can two individuals have the same thing at the same time”  points to a mathematical problem in the field of “identity”.   And yes we are talking here of the topology of our philosophies.  Fun stuff me thinks.  But then you never liked music …. er, i mean math … did ya!

This relates directly to Navigator’s  apparent firm assumption or belief that “LOA, Zen, etc., etc. all say the outside is just a mirror of what is inside already anyway. Makes total sense to me that you can set the mirror up anywhere you want”. 

#delveIfYouDare  or go nowhere with the usual #rwg if that is what floats your boat.

Seth says
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