Effect ...



wow i had a wallaby about this yesterday

omg, have i forgotten it?

Oh it had to do with the notion of direct experience VS indirect experience.

Me, I claim that all experience is indirect just like a wave hitting the shore is the indirect effect of a rock plopping into a pond. 


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  1. effect
  2. direct experience

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Mark de LA says
PR's coaching recently via email when I asked where the answers come from during contemplation. It is profound if you do the work.
private source: ... In simple, YOU. Not you as an identity but as the reality that is. What is actually True — beyond belief, self serving interests, preference, and even conceivability.
...
You have to genuinely come from that you deeply don't know what the block of wood is. Or what you are probably.
... I got a strange experience contemplating a clean block of wood. A moment of unity with all of it for just that moment.


Seth says
Well I do not experience what a block of wood experiences, notwithstanding how intensely, or even accurately, I imagine the block's experience in my mind.  So yes, as PR says, "I deeply don't know what the block of wood is".   Not so with myself.    Because of this special relationship i have with me, that which  i do not know about myself or don't experience ... is pretty much up to me ... or is irrelevant to me.  It is mine to create as i will.   I think it's a beautiful predicament ... i rather like it.

Seth says
M 2014-09-10 13:36:25 17752
seth 2014-09-10 13:19:28 17752
source: mark
Yep , that's you - can you follow directions?

Mark, i have done that kind of exercise, many times.  Might be kewl if you would accept that my experience with it is just different than yours and PR's.  If you want to grock my attitude towards otherness, perhaps answer the question, Is my experience wrong, and yours right?
No RWG here. A fact may be missed that you went only so far with the exercise & got what you got out of it. If someone masters projective geometry & others can't or don't or won't & their efforts yield no AHA's doesn't mean that nobody can master it. For my buck I will listen more to those who have achieved results than those who have given up or make up stories about impossibilities etc.


Ok, so apparently you really do think that my experience is wrong in this regard, and yours and PR's is right.   Strange that you just assume without any actual knowledge or real experience of this  block of wood over here that its experience is deficient. 

Who knows, maybe not you, that this block of wood got the flash that is so tender to you now, years ago, and have been delving even deeper since.  

Perhaps together we will never know about that one way or another, sorry your description is too sketchy.  Be we are not communicating about that experience here anymore, are we.   Nevertheless it might be interesting to ask:  what is the effect on you of your communication in this regard here?  What do you think the effect is on me?  What is the transaction?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-09-10 14:01:26 17752
M 2014-09-10 13:36:25 17752
seth 2014-09-10 13:19:28 17752
source: mark
Yep , that's you - can you follow directions?

Mark, i have done that kind of exercise, many times.  Might be kewl if you would accept that my experience with it is just different than yours and PR's.  If you want to grock my attitude towards otherness, perhaps answer the question, Is my experience wrong, and yours right?
No RWG here. A fact may be missed that you went only so far with the exercise & got what you got out of it. If someone masters projective geometry & others can't or don't or won't & their efforts yield no AHA's doesn't mean that nobody can master it. For my buck I will listen more to those who have achieved results than those who have given up or make up stories about impossibilities etc.


Ok, so apparently you really do think that my experience is wrong in this regard, and yours and PR's is right.   Strange that you just assume without any actual knowledge or real experience of this  block of wood over here that its experience is deficient. 

Who knows, maybe not you, that this block of wood got the flash that is so tender to you now, years ago, and have been delving even deeper since.  

Perhaps together will never know about that one way or another, sorry your description is too sketchy.  Be we are not communicating about that experience here anymore, are we.   Nevertheless it might be interesting to ask:  what is the effect on you of your communication in this regard here?  What do you think the effect is on me?  What is the transaction?
Like I said in my first sentence No RWG here.
Nobody said anything about trying to feel what a block of wood feels like.
It is more about consciousness & direct experience than feelings.
One has to drop a bunch of ego shit & assumptions & not know about yourself & the block of wood.
But your results may vary & your results if viewed from my results appear with limitations I am more likely to shed more knowing so that I am not limited by yours & visa versa.
Your results vis-a-vis my results are irrelevant. Anything not encountered during an actual, personal experience  becomes at best a belief & at least hearsay.
Enjoy whatever you got.  Create your own meaning.  I may or not comment on it any further.


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