Physical things do not follow

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Deeds not things have consequences .

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Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-16 09:17:44 17870
M 2014-10-16 09:13:50 17870
One short answer is that one makes up in one's mind sequence & consequence, but the physical world of things doesn't have such sequence & consequence only the human makes it up. Sequence is in the eye of the beholder.


well i disagree.  things happen in sequence in the world.  see if you can find thunder happening before the lightening.  when you find it, show it to me.
That is a consequence of your being stuck in & with time......
& your already-always me,(I) self-sustaining something else difference-fetish - aka mismatching.


Mark de LA says
Context for thingy is just an "objective world" ... so what?

Seth says

Well the word "consequences" can be used to refer to things which we find entailed by the process of mental reasoning.  It can also be used to refer to the results of events, for example a consequence of a bolder rolling down a hill might be the crushing of a squirrel ... no mental reasoning involved. 

Incidentally the word "thing" is just a convenient word that can be the top of a person's ontology, (eg SUMO) ... "thing" can refer to literally anything ... so with that ontology everything, processess, concepts, events, even the deeds of men are a subclass of things. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-16 09:01:26 17870
M 2014-10-16 08:58:26 17870
seth 2014-10-16 08:53:24 17870
M 2014-10-16 08:52:02 17870
Context for thingy is just an "objective world" ... so what?

what thingy are you talking about here?
anything

well surly we can talk about things that are not objective so that can not be the only context for thingy.   So, no, i have no idea what you are getting at.
That is because you are off-topic & lost.  Try consuming what is here instead.


Seth says
M 2014-10-16 10:42:30 17870
seth 2014-10-16 10:33:38 17870
source: mark
you make up sequence it is not independent of you the observer in spite of you wishing away your participation.
yes certainly when i make up sequences in my mind those sequences are not independent of my participation  ... quite because i just made them up ... that making them up was in fact my participation.

it gets more tricky when i tell you what the sequence was ... for then that sequence could have consequences in the world were somebody to do something in that sequence.


kewl - then we can blame all the consequences you make up on YOU!

well i am not responsible for what you do.  nor can i be responsible for all the consequences of the things that even do and the sequence in which i do them; for those sequences will add to the sequences of others in ways that are impossible for me to predict ... after all i am not all of God, notwithstanding that i am part of all that is going down.

Seth says
source: mark
you make up sequence it is not independent of you the observer in spite of you wishing away your participation.
yes certainly when i make up sequences in my mind those sequences are not independent of my participation  ... quite because i just made them up ... that making them up was in fact my participation.

it gets more tricky when i tell you what the sequence was ... for then that sequence could have consequences in the world were somebody to do something in that sequence.



Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-16 10:33:38 17870
source: mark
you make up sequence it is not independent of you the observer in spite of you wishing away your participation.
yes certainly when i make up sequences in my mind those sequences are not independent of my participation  ... quite because i just made them up ... that making them up was in fact my participation.

it gets more tricky when i tell you what the sequence was ... for then that sequence could have consequences in the world were somebody to do something in that sequence.


kewl - then we can blame all the consequences you make up on YOU!

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-16 09:37:17 17870
M 2014-10-16 09:25:25 17870
seth 2014-10-16 09:17:44 17870
M 2014-10-16 09:13:50 17870
One short answer is that one makes up in one's mind sequence & consequence, but the physical world of things doesn't have such sequence & consequence only the human makes it up. Sequence is in the eye of the beholder.


well i disagree.  things happen in sequence in the world.  see if you can find thunder happening before the lightening.  when you find it, show it to me.
That is a consequence of your being stuck in & with time......
& your already-always me,(I) self-sustaining something else difference-fetish - aka mismatching.


... or alternatively you are trying to wish away time, and i am having none of that .  arguing that end of things goes nowhere. 

i'm more interested in how i could reproduce your gestalt of a timeless existence.  thing is to searate the fact that sequence happening in the world is relative to the human observer ... on that, of course, i must agree.  but even eliminating that fact from the gestalt does not do away with the arrow of time.   me, i am truly stuck living in this time dimension ... i do not want to get out of it ... but i am still curious how it can be done.
still lost & off topic.  you make up sequence it is not independent of you the observer in spite of you wishing away your participation.

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-16 10:51:00 17870
M 2014-10-16 10:42:30 17870
seth 2014-10-16 10:33:38 17870
source: mark
you make up sequence it is not independent of you the observer in spite of you wishing away your participation.
yes certainly when i make up sequences in my mind those sequences are not independent of my participation  ... quite because i just made them up ... that making them up was in fact my participation.

it gets more tricky when i tell you what the sequence was ... for then that sequence could have consequences in the world were somebody to do something in that sequence.


kewl - then we can blame all the consequences you make up on YOU!

well i am not responsible for what you do.  nor can i be responsible for all the consequences of the things that even do and the sequence in which i do them; for those sequences will add to the sequences of others in ways that are impossible for me to predict ... after all i am not all of God, notwithstanding that i am part of all that is going down.
Sounds like you got lost back in the living - breathing definition of munging!

Mark de LA says
M 2014-10-16 13:06:50 17870
Cain slew Abel

(***)

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-10-16 12:33:21 17870
M 2014-10-16 12:24:21 17870
seth 2014-10-16 11:50:56 17870
M 2014-10-16 11:28:59 17870
seth 2014-10-16 11:17:32 17870
M 2014-10-16 11:07:55 17870
Then too it all fits together with the slogan/meme
People don't kill people - GUNS kill people.


yep.  were there less of the process called "guns" in the world, there would less oppurtunities for people to kill other people, therefore less people getting killed.
Guns are NOT a process - they are things.
Nevertheless all that would happen without guns is that next in line is IED's, bombs, knives, poison, chemicals & biological (think ebola) ... It began with Cain killing Abel & continues till a major transformation happens.  Recommend abondoning your plastic habit of masturbating that meme about guns.


a thing that is easy to happen, will happen more. 
Thanks for your affirmation of disembodied causation. People cause shit. At least people caused shit is the only thing that people have the ability to fix.


well people cause guns to happen, especially those who profit by selling them like Smith & Wesson.  There is no shirking of human responsibility here whatsoever ... rather quite the opposite.
Yep, you are off topic -  lost in the weeds of your mind & masturbating your gun thingy again - can't help.


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