Nice Metaphor for ThreeFolding

About: malfattis construction




If you can run it you can adjust the yellow points & the three red circular domains still remain separate & resize according to the geometry of inscribing 3 circles in a triangle. I can adjust the triangle to an equilateral & the circles adjust. I would make a dynamic logo out of it if I knew how.  The below is just a snapshot. One can continue the metaphor somehow with the other included lines & shapes

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Comments


Seth says

Yes, we can see how things can get out of balance when the more the one the less of the other. 

... the spheres are largest when they are balanced and equal

...

Eiamme says
Also you can create an isosceles triangle & see what happens to the picture when one domain is much larger than the other. Finally you can move one of the corners across the other two & the circles reside outside the triangle which is pretty much the reflective of what is happening these days .


Seth says


yeah i see ... things can get quite bizarre !

Eiamme says
One could also play with the domains of thought, feeling & will inside & outside of the triangle (box) of one's perpetual reality.


Seth says
yes i get that the triangle is the box.  i need to play with whether moving the point outside of the triangle actually does model what happens when one particular component strays outside of some habitual box.  examples need to emerge and be tested with the model.

thanks for defining your "already always listening" as "ego listening to the world is one's perpetual reality" .... i did not know what that meant until now.

Might that persistent box be transcended just when what happens outside of one's experience becomes more important than one's own experience itself?

Eiamme says
seth 2014-11-10 08:30:29 17928
Eiamme 2014-11-09 08:14:23 17928
One could also play with the domains of thought, feeling & will inside & outside of the triangle (box) of one's perpetual reality.

  at times i've viewd every human event as having the components of thought, feeling, and will.  For example, even thought something seems just like a simple thought, is there not also some emotion attached to it, and some measure of experience.  Then too is there not a component of deed to every thought ... er, "you thought that to do what".  

Then too the more or the one component the less of the other two ... so most events do seem to be mostly just thought, feelings, or the deeds themselves. 

Then too each component has its inside and its outside ... its experience as thinker, feeler, and dooer ... as opposed to its appearance to others ... er, those individuals not doing the thinking nor feeling it, nor doing the deed involved.

So, yes definitely, one could play with this model. 

I am struggling with figuring out what your term "the triangle box of one's perpetual reality" implies to you.   The best i can do is to consider that the box of our persistent experience.  Was that what you were thinking?
The term "thinking outside the box" shows up a lot as a meme related to creative thinking. This is a triangle so it needed some modification of the notion. One's box of perpetual reality - roughly ~ already always listening or simply ego listening to the world is one's perpetual reality, eh? ...
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Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-11 08:22:52 17928
well i was just trying to push the geometry beyond of the assumption that the circles must reside inside the triangle based upon your suggestion that "you can move one of the corners across the other two & the circles reside outside the triangle".  i'm pretty sure that there is a way to write the  java app such that a circle reappears on the other side of its opposite edge.  just an attempt to think outside the box, but ok you don't want to go there now, lol.
It makes no sense to try to put 3 circles inside a triangle as per the malfatti construction & then start with circles outside the triangle.
Only reason I brought the whole thing up in the first place was as a aid imagining dynamic equilibrium of the threefold social order mostly lost by pushing things in a separate direction.


Seth says
well seems to me then your own thought strayed outside of your original intention when you said ...

Eiamme 2014-11-09 08:14:23 17928
One could also play with the domains of thought, feeling & will inside & outside of the triangle (box) of one's perpetual reality.


...  my thoughts were informed by that.  


Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-10 17:42:00 17928
Eiamme 2014-11-10 10:01:37 17928
seth 2014-11-10 09:51:32 17928
incidentally i have yet to be able to get the java app to show all three components outside the triangle.  Have you done it?
I didn't try.  Some metaphor of getting them all inside is the transformation I am looking for. THe dynamics of balancing it is just like the dynamics of the human body or the metaphor of an airplane or ship navigating through long distances - always off course but adjusting so that they get where they are going anyway.


Well i cannot get all three outside the triangle.  I think there is a bug in the java app.  The third circle seems to disappears when the second goes outside of the triangle. 

Strange, my conception is that thought, feeling, and will are already all inside the box of our experience.  That would seem to be the normal predicament.  Getting them outside, or a metaphor for same, seems to me is the trick.




Not really a bug. The third one is just a dot which would expand if it went hyperbolic or you zoomed out. Anyway at this point arguing from analogy is fruitless.With all three inside the triangle the idea of a dynamic equilbrium needs nothing more.
Bolded part is going somewhere else in your own private space; nothing I am interested in here.


Eiamyme says
The original problem of inscribing the circles tangent to the sides of the triangle & each other is covered in the Wikipedia here.
source: ... In geometry, the Malfatti circles are three circles inside a given triangle such that each circle is tangent to the other two and to two sides of the triangle. They are named after Gian Francesco Malfatti, who made early studies of the problem of constructing these circles in the mistaken belief that they would have the largest possible total area of any three disjoint circles within the triangle. Malfatti's problem has been used to refer both to the problem of constructing the Malfatti circles and to the problem of finding three area-maximizing circles within a triangle.
...


Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-11 08:38:26 17928
well seems to me then your own thought strayed outside of your original intention when you said ...

Eiamme 2014-11-09 08:14:23 17928
One could also play with the domains of thought, feeling & will inside & outside of the triangle (box) of one's perpetual reality.


...  my thoughts were informed by that.  

Yep, thought feeling & will are part of the underlying forces of threefoldness . I used this & linked as the logo for my threefoldness page in facebook.


Seth says
there is a dynamic between forces that can go to zero and then start forcing in the opposite direction.  one can think constructively (positively) and one can think destructively (negatively) ... the same with feeling and will.  one can also think only inside of "one's perpetual reality" ... but then one can think outside of that.  playing with geometries that model those psychological predicaments can be fun.  i think GW's productive geometry did that ... though he didn't talk much about it. 

personally i don't think it much matters who's thought or who's direction of though gets said ... but apparently that is very important to you.  well sorry about that

Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-11 12:23:22 17928
seth 2014-11-11 09:52:25 17928
well actually i am all ears ... what makes them associated like that?   really why?

specifically:   what is the context is that implies {culture associatedWith thought; and rights associatedWith feeling; and economics associatedWith economics} ?
I'll get do some thinking on your own.

Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-11 09:19:34 17928
Eiamyme 2014-11-11 09:03:49 17928
seth 2014-11-11 08:38:26 17928
well seems to me then your own thought strayed outside of your original intention when you said ...

Eiamme 2014-11-09 08:14:23 17928
One could also play with the domains of thought, feeling & will inside & outside of the triangle (box) of one's perpetual reality.


...  my thoughts were informed by that.  

Yep, thought feeling & will are part of the underlying forces of threefoldness . I used this & linked as the logo for my threefoldness page in facebook.


i think the three social domains of culture, rights, and economy are orthogonal to the human functions of thinking, feeling, and doing.  they are not aligned or tightly associated as far as i can tell ... for we think, feel, and do things in each of the social domains.  So i find the associations of Culture:thought, rights:feeling, economics:doing ... to be quite spurious. 
Yep! You would do that. 

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