Ego vs Otherness


there is a consequential boundary between that which a human experiences and that which they do not. 

this boundary is what i call an edge ...
source: source: Bozo Faust 2013
 
Edges
 
there are edges

in all domains

whether tangible

imaginary

or abstract.

Sometimes we see them

sometimes not

sometimes we imagine they exist

sometimes they do

sometimes not.
... but this boundary, this edge between what we experience, and what we do not experience, does exist.
 
 
sorry i had to put some commas in that last sentence to aid in it's parsing ... when i reread it, i was hearing it opposite to what it meant.

This of course for most, when they understand it, is going to be instantly a "well Doah" moment ... in other words just something to say "so what" about ... or in other words something so simple and obvious as not to be of any significance. 

 
 

But let me point to a grand question that some perpetually ask,  "Who am I?". 

... er, just pointing. 
 

Tags

  1. ego
  2. otherness
  3. item 17937
  4. edges
  5. item 17936
  6. knowing

Comments


Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-11-12 11:07:55 17938
seth 2014-11-12 10:37:58 17938
Eiamyme 2014-11-12 10:17:51 17938
seth 2014-11-12 10:12:27 17938
yep it is a fuzzy boundary.  lot's of things are that way*.  just because there is a fuzzy boundary (ie a boundary that cannot always be precisely determined) does not mean that there is not a consequential difference on which side of the boundary an event occurs. 

* another famous fuzzy boundary is expressed in the uncertainty principle ...
source:  oregon edu

Of course, once a measurement of the particle is made, a single momentum is observed. But, like fuzzy position, momentum before the observation is intrinsically uncertain. This is what is know as the uncertainty principle, that certain quantities, such as position, energy and time, are unknown, except by probabilities. In its purest form, the uncertainty principle states that accurate knowledge of complementarity pairs is impossible. For example, you can measure the location of an electron, but not its momentum (energy) at the same time.
...
If the boundary is fuzzy it may not be there in the first place, eh?

the consequential difference is there, you just may not be aware of which side of the difference an event lies.  i dont't think the extreme cases where one might not be aware of whether an event was in their experience or not change the basic perdicament ... in most cases, given any particular specific event, i think most people will be able to tell quite immediately whether they experienced it or not.  For example, denise just asked me whether a box was marked with pink or blue to determine which product to ship, this one or that one.  I experienced that event ... you did not.  There is no doubt, that experience is part of me, and is otherness to you. 
Too many lost pointers, Seth, to figure out what you are really talking about - must have invoked the favorite uncertainty principle.  If there is a difference then there is a distinction however slight & one can say something is there. Otherwise one is munging about in chaos not yet become cosmos.


copying this train of thought here because mark apparently lacks the intention to comprehend it.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-11-12 13:13:45 17938
seth 2014-11-12 12:28:52 17938
Eiamyme 2014-11-12 12:11:07 17938
seth 2014-11-12 11:54:06 17938
source: mark
If there is a difference then there is a distinction however slight & one can say something is there.
... quite so. 

Yet whether you know you experienced X, or whether X was experienced by somebody else, are two entirely different matters.  The world is separated into things that you experience, and things that you do not experience.  That is true whether or not you know which is which. 

Bear in mind my assertion, "there is a consequential boundary between that which a human experiences and that which they do not", is true whether or not one knows they experienced a thing or not.  In fact experiencing something, yet not being totally aware that you experienced it, will still changes what you are ... and will still effect how you think, feel, and do. 
So what?  If I followed you, such is vacuously uninteresting. Was that profound for you? Whether a boundary exists or there is consequences for any of that has truth which is up for grabs & not obvious or necessary.  By your own profundity that which is - IS & that which IS not - IS'nt  & says nothing about any boundary.  If it did it would be a silly as asking where does the Universe end?



Well, just a personal note about me here.  I did predict your "so what" moment ... see 17936 .

Regarding the profundity to you, me thinks it is time to ask your famous qustion of yourself:  "What are you?" ... or its alternative spellings, "Who are you?", or "Who you are?". 

The answer that i get based upon my assumption, which apparently you now understand, is "You are what you experience".  What you experience or not is the ego/otherness boundary.  Experience defines ego ... and ... er ... constructs it.
I have experiences - I am not my experience. You may be different.




Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-11-12 16:50:26 17938
seth 2014-11-12 16:17:12 17938
source: mark

I have experiences - I am not my experience. You may be different.


... Well bear in mind that prior experience echoes in our being and informs current experience.  Without that effect i don't think current experience would feel like anything at all.  Perhaps your "have" relationship is another way of thinking about how prior experience effects current  ... or in your words {prior experience --"Has"--> current experience}.  I don't know ... your word "has" in this context seems not to mean much to me.  We  don't have any legal possession relationship to what we experience ... there is never any question of that. 

Well anyway that is the way it is seeming over here. 

Now, were we actually different in this regard would be a big surprise to me .  But whether we are different or not would seem to answer your question "so what?" ... in other words my assertion means something non trivial ...er, even to you ...  and actually would make a difference in the universe one way or another.
Yep, I have said my piece & exposed a small part of my ontology here & now I move on.  Enjoy the difference or similarity - it is ontology - not something needing discussion.



Seth says
seth 2014-11-12 17:00:15 17938
very kewl and all for you that you are moving on.

Nevertheless the existence and nature of the ego/otherness boundary does form the basis for inquiring into the "dynamic relationship between freedom, authority, habit, and the eog/otherness boundary". 


Seth says
Actually i found it informative to ask myself both questions ... not assuming one or the other.


Am I my experience and the reverberation of that in my being and with the network of my interaction with others?

-or-

Does does my being stand apart from my experience merely observing it?

... Me, i find i must choose the first one.   Although i still can imagine myself standing apart and observing my experience.  I call that self consciousness.  I love it ... and sometimes i hate it ... a strange thingey indeed .   It's especially nauseous when others notice me doing it,  or provoke it.   But then some people love it.  Yep, strange, strange persickament .  Nevertheless, i am pretty sure that most of us habitually do it quite different ... there being a million stories in the naked city. 

Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-14 07:47:12 17936
Actually i found it informative to ask myself both questions ... not assuming one or the other.


Am I my experience and the reverberation of that in my being and with the network of my interaction with others?

-or-

Does does my being stand apart from my experience merely observing it?

... Me, i find i must choose the first one.   Although i still can imagine myself standing apart and observing my experience.  I call that self consciousness.  I love it ... and sometimes i hate it ... a strange thingey indeed .   It's especially nauseous when others notice me doing it,  or provoke it.   But then some people love it.  Yep, strange, strange persickament .  Nevertheless, i am pretty sure that most of us habitually do it quite different ... there being a million stories in the naked city. 

Holmes says
LOL … prove it!

No such thing without a whole lot of imagination jelly applied!

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