Ferguson took a Shit

Context shifting produced the Watts Riots, the OJ riots, the DC riots & all the rest.

Ferguson Takes another Shit
Reuters: ... - Two police officers in Ferguson, Missouri, were shot and wounded in what officials called an ambush early on Thursday, the latest spasm of violence arising from months of tension between African-Americans and the city's mostly white police force.
... etc.   race-baiting continues in Obama's America .. I wonder if any enterprising pollster will take a poll of all those who voted for O thinking that race problems would end still support their voting such.
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chart below: (I say this one is probably a 1 or a 6)

The Bristol Stool Chart is a handy tool that may help you learn what you're going for.  ideally, your stool should approximate Types 3, 4 and 5, "like a sausage or a snake, smooth and soft" to "soft blobs that pass easily." Type 4 is the Holy Grail.3


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  1. riots
  2. context shifting
  3. item 17972
  4. cui bono
  5. blame
  6. race card
  7. racism
  8. ferguson

Comments


Mark de LA says
choy 2014-11-27 12:25:11 17972
In the good old days self-control was emphasized .
Today it is racial control.
Near the last depression is was labor control.
In the days of kings & rulers it is the ruling class control.
Somedays it looks like control by Religion.

~~~
I would like it return to self-control!

Seth says
choy 2014-11-26 09:02:21 17972
How about this conversation is losing any value to me because of persistent argumentativeness.

which is an excellant example of "X has Value to Y", thanks

and your saying that had some value to me ... though not, i presume, the same value it had to you. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-11-25 09:46:20 17972
source: mark
One real event powered it all
people describe it in different contexts to suit their own purpose!


Well in Ferguson people told lies, shaded facts, and acted oblivious to others.  I rather suspect that happened both in the community and in the law & order institutions. 

Is that also what happened here ?  If so, how so?  If not, then shouldn't we remove the "context shifting" association from either this item or that item, for it should not be associate with both, if they are not both the same in some way?
changing quad(x,y,z,c) with c = context changes the meaning & the viewpoint.  If that is your purpose then have at it.  That's not mine.   Thats why I like the fair-witness notion of Stranger in a Strange Land fame, your context shifting notwithstanding. It does require the Zen ability to see what is so from the shit spinning around it, though ....


Eiamyme says
source: ... THE ST. LOUIS COUNTY GRAND JURY that declined to indict Darren Wilson, a white police officer, in the shooting death of Michael Brown, an unarmed black 18-year-old, hears evidence wildly at odds with the narrative that stoked violent rioting, including witness testimony that Brown was charging at Wilson when he was shot.
...wtf - of course the M$M keeps emphasizing the black & white of it all & that Wilson was unarmed & even his age or (teenager).

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-11-25 08:45:34 17972
M 2014-11-25 08:31:26 17972
seth 2014-11-25 08:15:32 17972
Well now i don't know what you mean by "context shifting".  You might want to explain if you want to be able to use the term for the purposes of communication.
Context of a big hoodlum robbing a convenience store with a friend who goes on to assault a cop - versus the context of black-white racial cause celeb for riots & burining down neighborhoods.
Of course you know what context shifting is.


Well it sounds to me that you have defined two different contexts there .... some people perceive and feel and act in one ... some other people in the other.  There is third context here too, one where  the laws and courts over favor police power allowing too many unnecessary killings together with the knowledge that it could be changed.  Those three context clashed.  Where is the shift?   Or maybe more pertinent, who shifted one context to the other?   Do you see what i am getting at here?  .... this is not a shift ... this is a clash. 
One real event powered it all
people describe it in different contexts to suit their own purpose!


Eiamyme says
By the way a LIE is a context that is the way a person wishes or thinks thinks are or were.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-11-25 11:13:54 17972
seth 2014-11-25 10:21:34 17972
source: mark
changing quad(x,y,z,c) with c = context changes the meaning & the viewpoint. 
Yes certainly .   Note also that different c's (contexts) are felt and acted upon by different people and different institutions.

... If that is your purpose then have at it.  That's not mine.  

huh?   That's not my purpose, that is the way things are, imho.  People see and feel and act differently according to their context and their roots.  Do you not find it to be the same ?

... Thats why I like the fair-witness notion of Stranger in a Strange Land fame, your context shifting notwithstanding. It does require the Zen ability to see what is so from the shit spinning around it, though ....
Yes that is great ... some people can do it better than others .... some are pretty good at seeing with compassion into other contexts in which they have not developed ... but nobody can see "what is so" from all contexts simultaneously ... we do, however, try to get better and better at it.


I know doubt & mungeability as prevalent contexts of politicians & some other people.  Not all points of view & contexts have equal value.  Some would like them to be so that any objection to another's context has equal value. Such makes up the courtroom & political agenda.  Eiamyme can see the most context free description of an event & go with that in most cases. That's somewhat like the scientific method only with a more general domain, eh?


Well "X has Value" is meaningless to me personally ... for i can find no tangible examples of that relationship in the consequences of the world. 

I can however find plenty of examples of "X has Value to Y".  

I'm pretty sure that you will be able to logically derive the rest of my comments relative to yours above from those two beliefs.


Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-25 12:08:03 17972
Eiamyme 2014-11-25 11:20:53 17972
By the way a LIE is a context that is the way a person wishes or thinks thinks are or were.
yep.
One can always ask cui bono - to what benefit, especially the media, get from cranking it up such that riots happen. More TV  time ... same for other media like the internet.  Are there politicians benefiting from the riots? Are there lawyers benefiting? Is the 'race industry' benefiting? Is one particular political party benefiting?  I think we have context shifting for fun & profit, eh? Who is not winning or benefitting?  Are those communities, especially the mixed neighborhoods benefiting or losing? 
Generally speaking, while not a perfect solution, which may emerge is all who carry a gun for law enforcement will eventually have to wear a camera to track what is happening like the black box in an airplane.


Eiamyme says
seth 2014-11-25 10:21:34 17972
source: mark
changing quad(x,y,z,c) with c = context changes the meaning & the viewpoint. 
Yes certainly .   Note also that different c's (contexts) are felt and acted upon by different people and different institutions.

... If that is your purpose then have at it.  That's not mine.  

huh?   That's not my purpose, that is the way things are, imho.  People see and feel and act differently according to their context and their roots.  Do you not find it to be the same ?

... Thats why I like the fair-witness notion of Stranger in a Strange Land fame, your context shifting notwithstanding. It does require the Zen ability to see what is so from the shit spinning around it, though ....
Yes that is great ... some people can do it better than others .... some are pretty good at seeing with compassion into other contexts in which they have not developed ... but nobody can see "what is so" from all contexts simultaneously ... we do, however, try to get better and better at it.


I know doubt & mungeability as prevalent contexts of politicians & some other people.  Not all points of view & contexts have equal value.  Some would like them to be so that any objection to another's context has equal value. Such makes up the courtroom & political agenda.  Eiamyme can see the most context free description of an event & go with that in most cases. That's somewhat like the scientific method only with a more general domain, eh?


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-11-26 09:21:17 17972
choy 2014-11-26 09:02:21 17972
How about this conversation is losing any value to me because of persistent argumentativeness.

which is an excellant example of "X has Value to Y", thanks

and your saying that had some value to me ... though not, i presume, the same value it had to you. 
You have value to me - that's why I am responding. Wikipedia has both ethical & economical contexts for value. Value is a long boring argument/topic so I will not be arguing its finer points at this time.  Maybe some other time if I get a

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-11-28 07:47:24 17972
M 2014-11-27 12:27:02 17972
choy 2014-11-27 12:25:11 17972
In the good old days self-control was emphasized .
Today it is racial control.
Near the last depression is was labor control.
In the days of kings & rulers it is the ruling class control.
Somedays it looks like control by Religion.

~~~
I would like it return to self-control!

add in there control by cultural habits and institutions ... in other words, what has worked and been successful in our society, will mostly be what people do ... it is the collective momentum of all our lives. 

Self-control is great ... bucking the momentum is necessary ... so i said that to say, let's have at it .


When you use the amorphous words such as culture, habits & instutions, society and your own collective momentum you are saying nothing at all except shifting blame from the indiviual somewhere else. NICE TRY or
NOT!
Mobs & mob rules don't cut it unless you think that the law of the jungle is all that's left!


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-11-28 10:58:14 17972
M 2014-11-28 10:00:01 17972
seth 2014-11-28 07:47:24 17972
M 2014-11-27 12:27:02 17972
choy 2014-11-27 12:25:11 17972
In the good old days self-control was emphasized .
Today it is racial control.
Near the last depression is was labor control.
In the days of kings & rulers it is the ruling class control.
Somedays it looks like control by Religion.

~~~
I would like it return to self-control!

add in there control by cultural habits and institutions ... in other words, what has worked and been successful in our society, will mostly be what people do ... it is the collective momentum of all our lives. 

Self-control is great ... bucking the momentum is necessary ... so i said that to say, let's have at it .


When you use the amorphous words such as culture, habits & instutions, society and your own collective momentum you are saying nothing at all except shifting blame from the indiviual somewhere else. NICE TRY or
NOT!
Mobs & mob rules don't cut it unless you think that the law of the jungle is all that's left!


Well in my context over here i have intentionally excluded the concept of blame which in not important to me in this context here of self control. 
So do yoiu think that rioting, arson, trashing has no blame & is a nurtral thingy of black culture?

Mark de LA says
seth 2014-11-28 11:12:50 17972
source: mark
So do yoiu think that rioting, arson, trashing has no blame & is a nurtral thingy of black culture?
Well anybody can look for blame in whatever situation ... it's not a behavior that i glory in doing ...  that was the reason i intentionally excluded it from my considerations of what you are saying.

Black culture does a lot of blaming ... as does white culture ... and peculiarly Rush Limbaugh does a lot of blaming of black culture for blaming white culture.  I guess you realize that is not my thingey ... trying not to allow it in my network. 

so sorry  ... not with you bro on that.  
Sorry you are. Nobody to blame, nobody responsible , someone else did it.

Eiamyme says
  • Bullet 1
  • Bully 0
  • Ferguson - $5 Million + the rest.

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-03-12 09:21:56 17972
well kill people for whatever ... and those people will start killing you for whatever.  cause and effect working as expected.
I give your comment an evaluation of a type 7 - indigestion usually the cause.


Mark de LA says
StILL TAKING THAT SAME #7 SHIT - DISENTARY OF THE MOB BRAIN!



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