review: reactionaries in space in jacobin



see the trailer

i haven't seen it yet ...

anyway provoked by the review ...

"its scary to realize that almost all of our consciousness is just our parochial human animal licking its genitals
" -- bozo faust


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Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-12-11 08:53:55 18001
Eiamyme 2014-12-11 08:53:20 18001
seth 2014-12-11 07:46:43 18001
mark does selfie birdie but he never tells how/why he excludes himself from the we ... a thought to be thunk while pissing in the wind. 
Simple, dude, I don't think the way you do.  I know the difference between what I think & what others come up with.  I don't assume bad things about human beings, races, countries & assume others think the same way.  As the old man once exclaimed in our youth ... "What do you mean WE ... got a turd in your back pocket?"



Well you might ask yourself how you make oneness happen.  Me, i propose to the world that it is happening every single time i intentionally talk in the first person plural.   Now i've told you that several times now ... yet you continue to be willfully oblivious of it ... and exclude yourself from the unison with a haughty snout ... then ironically claim righteousness ...

Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-12-12 09:37:08 18001
So we disagree - tsk ... tsk ...  That's what an Ego has to do to feel selfie.


... ... well yes, that is kind of close from my perspective ... but i would just say that the phrase "our egos" refers to the menton's which are different .... their difference causing the disagreement.

You know ... i think i told you already ... that this seeing it like Rupert was talking in 18997 was a great find for me.   I actually have been doing a meditation where i can feel the oneness ... and i want you to know that ... and thank you again for it .

But still and all, personal direct feeling and experience is NOT the same as feeling the imagined feeling and experience of others.  I think Empathy is great! ... but it is not direct experience.  Me thinks it is an error not to recognize that peculiar edge  ... and i seriously doubt that is is any different in that regard over there ... but, of course, that is not for me to say ... notwistanding that i am just saying it anyway .



Eiamyme says
seth 2014-12-12 07:52:38 18001
Eiamyme 2014-12-12 07:47:26 18001
seth 2014-12-12 07:36:39 18001

sometimes i think you go into rwg mode just to avoid edges that you don't like.   oh well ... don't want you falling off the edge of the world or anything.
... & sometimes you just are in error or full of yourself or shit. Consciousness has no shape - no edge, notwithstanding that in mathematics there are objects called space-filling curves which are apparently all edge.
Get edgy bro, get ziggy.


.... hmmm ... i don't remember saying anything about "consciouness having edges" ... that is just something that you just now read into what i did say with your own mind.

but consciousness certainly becomes aware of edges ... no?
Nope! edges are your thingy. Try to draw a circle around consciousness. Maybe even do a PR contemplation on what is consciousness (see BofNK if confused) .  Edgyness is more a binary thingy anyway.  Oneness Ekagratta or Satori (many Eastern words can be used) is more a consciousness thingy rather than something that you can point to with sharp definition like a turd on the sidewalk.


Seth says
incidentally my sentence is not in the TED talk, silly ... of course not ... it my own thought.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-12-12 07:47:26 18001
seth 2014-12-12 07:36:39 18001

sometimes i think you go into rwg mode just to avoid edges that you don't like.   oh well ... don't want you falling off the edge of the world or anything.
... & sometimes you just are in error or full of yourself or shit. Consciousness has no shape - no edge, notwithstanding that in mathematics there are objects called space-filling curves which are apparently all edge.
Get edgy bro, get ziggy.


.... hmmm ... i don't remember saying anything about "consciouness having edges" ... that is just something that you just now read into what i did say with your own mind.

but consciousness certainly becomes aware of edges ... no?

Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-12-11 11:50:09 18001
seth 2014-12-11 11:45:10 18001
aside from all of that ... and incidentally ...

(1) Do you think that the non-subject/non-object oneness-love spoken about by Rupert Spira is  something just in the universe a priori? 

(2) ... or is a consequence of what we do together?

(3) ... or manifested by what we are or do privately?

... or what?


It has nothing to do with public or private. Consciousness doesn't own anything. It is light shining upon that which IS.


public/private ... inside/outside ... subject/object are in a way talking about the same duality edge.

 i didn't say anything about consciousness owning anything ... that concept is not in my vocabulary in this context.

 "light shining upon that which is" seems to me to be another way of saying that consciousness is something just in the universe a priori ... not anything that we do consequentially.  so i'm taking your choice to be door #1. 

me, i choose door #2 ... consciousness is something that we do together ... we make humanity what it is by what we do together ... consequentially ... public/private,  inside/outside just the perdicament ... the mountain to climb ... but "if we don't build it, they won't come" ... the Karma of consequence being the bitch that she is. 

but, no, i don't expect you to sign on to that ... the most i can hope for is that you comprehend it and tell me how your perspective is different.  wow ... i wonder if that would contribute to our consciousness ...

Seth says
Eiamyme 2014-12-11 09:51:45 18001
Nothing personal here, just don't expect me to sign on to a shit-assed statement (or somebody else's) that says:
source: ... "its scary to realize that almost all of our consciousness is just our parochial human animal licking its genitals"
... speak for yourself.


signing on is not expected ... er, ever.  

comprehension would be nice, however. 

you give me no evidence whatsoever that you even comprehend the sentence.  sans that comprehension ... is it really wise to piss upon it anyway?  

Even so, the sentence came right out of the background of your Science and spirituality: Jeff Lieberman at TEDxCambridge 2011 ...  me thinks, it is with us whether you perceive it or not.  i just kind of said it with what i would call a typical magorian attitude.

... also, please note the almost quantifier intentionally put in there. 

Another way to grock is to look at humanity from the same perspective we look upon ants or dung beetles or baboons.  Can you do that from your gut? ... not intellectually.  Oh well, maybe you don't want to .... so hold to what keeps you together ... fine with me.

me, i think there is a way out of all of that box ... but you, do you even know what is happening here, Mr Jones?

Seth says
source: mark
Nope! edges are your thingy. Try to draw a circle around consciousness. Maybe even do a PR contemplation on what is consciousness (see BofNK if confused) .  Edgyness is more a binary thingy anyway. 
well let's get this straight ... i invented this usage of the word "edges".  But edges are not my thingey ... everybody perceives edges ... that is something we as humans do.

Being aware of edges is not a binary thing ... not to me ... most of them are fuzzy ... some more distinct than others.  Whether one is aware of them or not is also a fuzzy boundary.

... Oneness Ekagratta or Satori (many Eastern words can be used) is more a consciousness thingy rather than something that you can point to with sharp definition like a turd on the sidewalk.
... yep, agreed ... being aware of the nature of awareness itself is in fact not at all like seeing a turd on the sidewalk .

in fact there is almost nothing we can say about it in language ... we simply lack the shared vocabulary for doing that.  although we could develop that vocabulary maybe just between each other ... but of course that would require some small measure of intent and a common purpose ... which, in the light of the holy RWG has been in short supply here ... even of late.

You said, "[consciousness] is light shining upon that which IS".   Me, i disagree on that.  I think consciousness is something that we humans create by our social actions with each other.  I know that kind of takes away some of the glistening feelings of it for you ... but it does not take anything away for me ... in fact it is even more of  in it for me that way.




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