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Comments


Mark de LA says
Only a dingbat would argue about a cartoon! (thanks for sharing - bzo)

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Mark de LA says
seth 2014-12-22 08:57:10 18027
The picture is a fiction ... the fetus cannot think words.
So is your epigram:
 

COURT: Captive orangutan has human right to freedom...


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-12-22 09:14:19 18027
well, to be honest ? with you, i was just trying to tease out why the cartoon ... which is clear enough ... was associated with all that #anti-language #shit in it's context of its presentation here.
It is about the confusion it is about to descend into.  You don't know whether it can think words or not or what thinking words is just because one pops into your "head". Language is a sense which is more profound than just association.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-12-22 10:31:41 18027
choy 2014-12-22 09:20:14 18027
seth 2014-12-22 09:14:19 18027
well, to be honest ? with you, i was just trying to tease out why the cartoon ... which is clear enough ... was associated with all that #anti-language #shit in it's context of its presentation here.
It is about the confusion it is about to descend into.  You don't know whether it can think words or not or what thinking words is just because one pops into your "head". Language is a sense which is more profound than just association.


Well i told you that, to my mind, the baby does not think words ... and even that it would not form that request in its being in any manner similar to the cartoon.  I am quite clear on that.  Are you equally clear about that being my thought?  If so, then there should be no confusion about that matter between us.

Now in your mind, were you have different knowledges about a babie's use of language in the womb, then i am all ears to hear how it could possibly be different in your conceptions. 

I've thought many words in my life and even watched myself do it and how i can use those same words to communicate to others ... many times even successfully.  ... and yes, me thinks i have a sense for it.   It is a high art indeed and i am thankful for my human ability to do so.

The mere association of sign to object is where it starts ... then the magic of that same association being established (or learned) by other minds so that the words can be used to communicate between them.  The hairy implications and connotations these words form within my mind are profound indeed ... even thought the very same implications and connotations happen in other minds is unlikely ... yet extensive communication between us can tease out the differences in our experience ... both of us learning the other's vicariously.   Yep, language is Great!  I suggest we revel in it, and not try to destroy it. 
Apparently you can't help arguing about a cartoon - NO thanks for sharing your dingbats.  You missed the point entirely & that was - for you - words are just a suggestion in terms of meaning & munge at the slightest advantage to your brainpan.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-12-22 11:01:53 18027
source: mark
Apparently you can't help arguing about a cartoon - NO thanks for sharing your dingbats.  You missed the point entirely & that was - for you - words are just a suggestion in terms of meaning & munge at the slightest advantage to your brainpan.

... well, yes, words for me are "just a suggestion of meaning" ... mere tracks in the sand of our living fabric.  They bring up thoughts in my mind ... not necessarily to my own advantage. 

Is it not the same for you?
Nope! Words have meaning. You can trace them via etymology through a history of peoples and associations & scholars.  There are also modern usage dictionaries to help as well both slang & historic.  What you dwell in is the haggle, munge & limp scholarship on the subject.  If nothing is ever certain, if you can haggle about everything then you can never be held to account for your words & the wiggle room is an opportunity for all kinds of demons & elementals (real & imaginary) to enter the conversation into both your bain-pan & the outside world.  Current events bare me out.
BTW it does not go un-noticed that your penchant for copying for fear I will delete something you said is just bullying your own argument.  Good luck with that.  I can remember mine because I just go the straig ideas & truths I find in my experience & don't have to munge an idea out of the mire to support my rwg.  Again, good luck with your methodology.


Mark de LA says
Still being a #BullyAsshole repeating your wordy argumentative comments elswhere to make sure they persist knowing the response you should be getting is deletion.


Mark de LA says
seth 2014-12-22 16:03:04 18027
choy 2014-12-22 12:20:46 18027
seth 2014-12-22 11:01:53 18027
source: mark
Apparently you can't help arguing about a cartoon - NO thanks for sharing your dingbats.  You missed the point entirely & that was - for you - words are just a suggestion in terms of meaning & munge at the slightest advantage to your brainpan.

... well, yes, words for me are "just a suggestion of meaning" ... mere tracks in the sand of our living fabric.  They bring up thoughts in my mind ... not necessarily to my own advantage. 

Is it not the same for you?
[Nope! ?]

Words have meaning. You can trace them via etymology through a history of peoples and associations & scholars.  There are also modern usage dictionaries to help as well both slang & historic.

Well certainly i too hold that words have meaning ... but that statement alone i find incomplete ... rather the very concept called "meaning" needs an subject or an observer ... a better statement would be "words have meaning to P".   They have no meaning that i know of sans a being there to interpret them.  Dictionary definitions and etymologies are not what confirms meaning to words ... rather it is the history of usage and interpenetration by the people who use them. 

... What you dwell in is the haggle, munge & limp scholarship on the subject. 
are you so very sure your conceptions there about me are given by me ... and not actually reflections of something happening in yourself?

... If nothing is ever certain, if you can haggle about everything then you can never be held to account for your words & the wiggle room is an opportunity for all kinds of demons & elementals (real & imaginary) to enter the conversation into both your bain-pan & the outside world.  Current events bare me out.
BTW it does not go un-noticed that your penchant for copying for fear I will delete something you said is just bullying your own argument.  Good luck with that.  I can remember mine because I just go the straig ideas & truths I find in my experience & don't have to munge an idea out of the mire to support my rwg.  Again, good luck with your methodology.
Well how somebody is going to interpret a linguist message is never known in advance ... sorry about that ... just the world we live in.  Just because a message is coded in words does not mean that it will be interpreted according to their dictionary definitions ... what they mean to the speaker and to the listener is dependent on the context of those two minds during speaking and listening. 

I tend to read my own words back to myself to see if their meaning to me is accurately coded and that i can reasonable expect that if your parse them with a intent to listen for my meaning you there would be a possibility that you could get it.    I too can remember the truth of their meaning to me much better than i can remember the actual words themselves.   

There is not much evidence that i have much success with talking about deep issues to you in language ... the deeper a matter is ... the more difficult is real communication in words ... that, me thinks, is part of the nature of language.  I am trying with others too ... with some success ... but not much where it comes to deeper matters.  Oh well ... i will keep trying nonetheless. 
... still content free except for argumentation.  How boring!


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