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Consciousness is different from physical things. It is like spiritual light. It is a fundamental category of each ulltimate particle in the Universe. It is not a relationship between human beings exclusively. As such it is not like weight or money that has a predetermined effect tzu increase or decrease.  - M.R. 2015
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Furthermore there is the possibility of being conscious of one's "I" & self-consciousness which may be different things. There is also a consciousness soul to ponder for those who have one (it is a distinction).
Except for those who hold conscious & consciousness in the context of 18060

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Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-01-12 10:03:20 18061
seth 2015-01-12 08:50:56 18061
Eiamyme 2015-01-10 10:56:21 18061
Relationship is just a concept.

well yes, there is a concept called "replationships".   but there are also actual instances of relationships.   for example, you are my brother.  that is a relationship between our beings.  that relationship is not "just a concept" ... it actually exists.

Surprise, surprise, i too can feel myself being conscious.  It does have a distinct feeling ... or rather a plethera of kinds of feelings that i feel when i interact with the world and with people and then later (or earlier) think and feel about those interactions.  Now, i cannot be sure that corresponds to what you call "a consciousness soul" but i rather suspect that when all of the baggage about those topics are stipped from our minds, that we could agree that they are the same thing.  But, of course, i can not know that for sure .... sans more descriptions coming from you.  

I don't think that interpretation of "consciousness soul" conflicts at all with the context of 18060


I don't think you can find a "relationship" in vivo (in reality) that hasn't first been created in your mind. I can however step in dog shit in vivo reality without creating it in my mind first.
Abstractions of reality are haggles for not knowing, imho.


Well both of your examples are real instances of relationships in vivo, not created by your mind ... the first is the relationshp we have by virtue of coming out the  same tube ... and the second is the (hypothotecial) relationship your shoe had with some dog shit.  Neither of those events were created by your mind (except perhaps the second one if you were not talking about an actual event) ... though you mind can certainly interpret and describe them in with the abstraction of language. 

Eiamyme says
Relationship is just a concept.

Eiamyme says
seth 2015-01-12 08:50:56 18061
Eiamyme 2015-01-10 10:56:21 18061
Relationship is just a concept.

well yes, there is a concept called "replationships".   but there are also actual instances of relationships.   for example, you are my brother.  that is a relationship between our beings.  that relationship is not "just a concept" ... it actually exists.

Surprise, surprise, i too can feel myself being conscious.  It does have a distinct feeling ... or rather a plethera of kinds of feelings that i feel when i interact with the world and with people and then later (or earlier) think and feel about those interactions.  Now, i cannot be sure that corresponds to what you call "a consciousness soul" but i rather suspect that when all of the baggage about those topics are stipped from our minds, that we could agree that they are the same thing.  But, of course, i can not know that for sure .... sans more descriptions coming from you.  

I don't think that interpretation of "consciousness soul" conflicts at all with the context of 18060


I don't think you can find a "relationship" in vivo (in reality) that hasn't first been created in your mind. I can however step in dog shit in vivo reality without creating it in my mind first.
Abstractions of reality are haggles for not knowing, imho.


Seth says
which is not to say that there are not relationships that are entirely created by a mind.  grockin reality somewhat objectively is recognizing which are created by your own mind, and which are not ... er, which are otherness to your mind.

Eiamyme says
seth 2015-01-12 10:50:37 18061
Eiamyme 2015-01-12 10:38:19 18061
seth 2015-01-12 10:28:15 18061
for example, i can now tell you that there are 5 objects on my desk.  That relationship between 5 things and my desk was entirely created by my mind.  If you looked at my desk i can hear you saying, "Your full of shit, there are more than 50 things on your desk".  And you would be right.
You still seem to have a hard time telling the difference between a real thing & something in your mind.

of really ... maybe it is you that is having the problem telling the difference. 

Hint, whenever your response to me is so very general as to not have any substance to it except a rwg transaction, well that is something just in your mind.  Give me a real example ... or use one of my examples ... or make up your own. 

But hurling a general unsubstantiated insult at me is just you pointing to some smegma in your mind and acting as if it were not just in your mind.  Do you really think i get confused about that after all this time?
Yep!

Eiamyme says
seth 2015-01-12 10:28:15 18061
for example, i can now tell you that there are 5 objects on my desk.  That relationship between 5 things and my desk was entirely created by my mind.  If you looked at my desk i can hear you saying, "Your full of shit, there are more than 50 things on your desk".  And you would be right.
The "relationship" is wholly in your mind.


Eiamyme says
Eiamyme 2015-01-12 10:38:19 18061
seth 2015-01-12 10:28:15 18061
for example, i can now tell you that there are 5 objects on my desk.  That relationship between 5 things and my desk was entirely created by my mind.  If you looked at my desk i can hear you saying, "Your full of shit, there are more than 50 things on your desk".  And you would be right.
You still seem to have a hard time telling the difference between a real thing & something in your mind.
Maybe ponder this from the Wikipedia.

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