World is NOT Broken

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Abraham LOA on the RWG

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Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-02 09:22:51 18106
when a person's relationship to the world is not broken, everything does flow as in a path of least resistance.  in that situation, the world is not broken.  Yes yes yes ... good stuff indeed
Yeah I'm not sure a person's relationship to the World can be broken. There is always some kind of relationship - attractive or repulsive; lots of assumptions in that phrase.


Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-02 10:44:20 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-02 09:32:02 18106
seth 2015-02-02 09:22:51 18106
when a person's relationship to the world is not broken, everything does flow as in a path of least resistance.  in that situation, the world is not broken.  Yes yes yes ... good stuff indeed
Yeah I'm not sure a person's relationship to the World can be broken. There is always some kind of relationship - attractive or repulsive; lots of assumptions in that phrase.


ok certainly we can point more directly here, thanks for noticing.  it will take just a few more words though.

the relationship itself is what exists and there is no use in judging what exists as broken ... instead one must accept that which is.   but we are dealing here with when a person thinks, feels, or acts as if that relationship is not working.  many times they then say the world is broken, other times they may say they are broken.  in any case the trick is to make the relationship work as felt by the person as well as the world.

Abraham Hicks method of adjusting one's attitude of what is felt to be broken seems to be working for many people.   For me, I'm not so very sure it tells the whole story that i wish to tell.
It is all in the nature of the RWG.  One may want to keep that story going & going for some result or payoff. This "allowing" may be another way out. Maybe assigning a world as broken & making the world wrong is another. I know that going for victimhood is a fruitless path to tread.

Eiamyme says
Eiamyme 2015-02-03 08:38:45 18106
It is a matter of FOCUS rather than denying. You will not satisfy everyone nor will all concerned feel the same about anything nor their feelings necessarily merge nicely. Here is something I found on G+ where one group seems to think that sustainability & globality is what is the point of the grand scheme ... (maybe).  I hold freedom a bit higher on my value list - to the point it is assumed & not on the list at all.

Link on G+ is (*)

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-03 00:23:57 18106
seth 2015-02-02 10:44:20 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-02 09:32:02 18106
seth 2015-02-02 09:22:51 18106
when a person's relationship to the world is not broken, everything does flow as in a path of least resistance.  in that situation, the world is not broken.  Yes yes yes ... good stuff indeed
Yeah I'm not sure a person's relationship to the World can be broken. There is always some kind of relationship - attractive or repulsive; lots of assumptions in that phrase.


ok certainly we can point more directly here, thanks for noticing.  it will take just a few more words though.

the relationship itself is what exists and there is no use in judging what exists as broken ... instead one must accept that which is.   but we are dealing here with when a person thinks, feels, or acts as if that relationship is not working.  many times they then say the world is broken, other times they may say they are broken.  in any case the trick is to make the relationship work as felt by the person as well as the world.

Abraham Hicks method of adjusting one's attitude of what is felt to be broken seems to be working for many people.   For me, I'm not so very sure it tells the whole story that i wish to tell.
It is all in the nature of the RWG.  One may want to keep that story going & going for some result or payoff. This "allowing" may be another way out. Maybe assigning a world as broken & making the world wrong is another. I know that going for victimhood is a fruitless path to tread.

well yes, placing blame on self or world just perpetuates rwg.   just denying that there is a problem doesn't necessarily help either ... but sure, accepting what is, even if it hurts, is better than making it worse by hurting the hurt more.  Was that what you mean by "allowing" ?  

i still think the trick is to find relationships that work as felt by all concerned.  where those dominate, the ones which don't work, tend to evaporate.   i take that evaporation as a article of faith ... but i have experienced it happening ... so it is not a leap.

Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-04 08:46:50 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-03 08:52:43 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-03 08:38:45 18106
It is a matter of FOCUS rather than denying. You will not satisfy everyone nor will all concerned feel the same about anything nor their feelings necessarily merge nicely. Here is something I found on G+ where one group seems to think that sustainability & globality is what is the point of the grand scheme ... (maybe).  I hold freedom a bit higher on my value list - to the point it is assumed & not on the list at all.

Link on G+ is (*)

i haven't studied One Community but it sounds like an interesting experiment in social engineering.  Sustainability is a great value, high up on my list.  So is globality, Ghai and all of humanity ... even thought that can seem opposite of a penchant for locality and a respect for the specific.  I think freedom is about the relationship between the individual and his community ... it is high on my list as well.  Choosing between a-human and humanity is a high art indeed ... especially when the a-human is yourself .
The challenge is that top-down designed communities from Utopia to Communism never work & usually require force & loss of freedom to make them work.


Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-03 08:52:43 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-03 08:38:45 18106
It is a matter of FOCUS rather than denying. You will not satisfy everyone nor will all concerned feel the same about anything nor their feelings necessarily merge nicely. Here is something I found on G+ where one group seems to think that sustainability & globality is what is the point of the grand scheme ... (maybe).  I hold freedom a bit higher on my value list - to the point it is assumed & not on the list at all.

Link on G+ is (*)

i haven't studied One Community but it sounds like an interesting experiment in social engineering.  Sustainability is a great value, high up on my list.  So is globality, Ghai and all of humanity ... even thought that can seem opposite of a penchant for locality and a respect for the specific.  I think freedom is about the relationship between the individual and his community ... it is high on my list as well.  Choosing between a-human and humanity is a high art indeed ... especially when the a-human is yourself .

Seth says
choy 2015-02-04 17:47:45 18106
seth 2015-02-04 09:29:02 18106
source: mark

The challenge is that top-down designed communities from Utopia to Communism never work & usually require force & loss of freedom to make them work.

... yes, i totally agree .

as tolerance (respect for otherness) in a community increases so does individual freedom. 

the trick is maximizing the possibilities of positive change ... there is a high art and magic in that ... me, i wish i could master it.
It is indeed a trick since the success of community designing has nothing to do with otherness which has nothing to do with freedom.


huh?  how can you say that?   a healthy functioning community has everything to do with respect for othernes and individual freedom.   Why do you not think those should not be considered when getting a community to work?

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-02-04 09:29:02 18106
source: mark

The challenge is that top-down designed communities from Utopia to Communism never work & usually require force & loss of freedom to make them work.

... yes, i totally agree .

as tolerance (respect for otherness) in a community increases so does individual freedom. 

the trick is maximizing the possibilities of positive change ... there is a high art and magic in that ... me, i wish i could master it.
It is indeed a trick since the success of community designing has nothing to do with otherness which has nothing to do with freedom.


Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-04 19:06:43 18106
choy 2015-02-04 17:47:45 18106
seth 2015-02-04 09:29:02 18106
source: mark

The challenge is that top-down designed communities from Utopia to Communism never work & usually require force & loss of freedom to make them work.

... yes, i totally agree .

as tolerance (respect for otherness) in a community increases so does individual freedom. 

the trick is maximizing the possibilities of positive change ... there is a high art and magic in that ... me, i wish i could master it.
It is indeed a trick since the success of community designing has nothing to do with otherness which has nothing to do with freedom.


huh?  how can you say that?   a healthy functioning community has everything to do with respect for othernes and individual freedom.   Why do you not think those should not be considered when getting a community to work?
Throw in any assemblage of abstract word salad & you can draw the same conclusion.  We had some functioning of a community at PJ2.  Nobody mentioned otherness & freedom was pretty much assumed within the context of an already external set of laws.


Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-04 21:43:15 18106
seth 2015-02-04 19:06:43 18106
choy 2015-02-04 17:47:45 18106
seth 2015-02-04 09:29:02 18106
source: mark

The challenge is that top-down designed communities from Utopia to Communism never work & usually require force & loss of freedom to make them work.

... yes, i totally agree .

as tolerance (respect for otherness) in a community increases so does individual freedom. 

the trick is maximizing the possibilities of positive change ... there is a high art and magic in that ... me, i wish i could master it.
It is indeed a trick since the success of community designing has nothing to do with otherness which has nothing to do with freedom.


huh?  how can you say that?   a healthy functioning community has everything to do with respect for othernes and individual freedom.   Why do you not think those should not be considered when getting a community to work?
Throw in any assemblage of abstract word salad & you can draw the same conclusion.  We had some functioning of a community at PJ2.  Nobody mentioned otherness & freedom was pretty much assumed within the context of an already external set of laws.



Look, otherness is just the other guy.  

There were lots of other guys at PJ2.   There was Pierre, and Vickie, and Sunny, and Eric, and you, and Fortune, and Shredded, and the Carbargas, and Harry the truck, and Gerry, etc etc.   Where synergy happened at PJ2, it is was where we tripped on what the other guy did, where we appreciated it,  stood on their shoulders,  or at least respected and tolerated that which was not our own.  That was in the consciousness there.  And to the extent that it was there, is just the very extent that synergy happened.

Eiamyme says
You have munged my interest right out of the post on community building.  I used the words "A Synergy of Individuals" a long time ago trying to build Common Logic outside of yours & nate's  efforts to write the software for CyberMind.  Unfortunately, the synergy part was transcendental & the individualism mememes prevailed.
Funny I remember the board meeting where my intuition told me that the mememes were prevailing .  It was when I tried to introduce the principle that "the ends & the means must be true, beautiful & good to be a part of Common Logic" . 
Interesting in deed that some principles are beginning to come out of those into LOA:
(some of it sounds like Werner Erhard)


Seth says

Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-05 11:34:56 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-05 11:20:26 18106
seth 2015-02-05 11:11:50 18106
source: mark

... nothing special ... there are others
.... yep ... others and my relationship to them is very special ... apparently you are different.
Yep, I acknowledged it with the Golden Rule & didn't make a personal religion of the word otherness.


good for you .   of course "otherness" is just an ascii string ... just an association of all-the-other-guys with a word in the dictionary.  it is not the word which forms my faith ... not the word itself which obsesses me .... rather it is my attitudes towards other people. 

I'm glad you finally acknowledge the meaning of the word and it's association to your faith in the golden rule.  Perhaps now when i use that word it won't push your button and i won't need to hear myself mocked ... and we can move on!
Your mememe accepted!  I will call it the Golden Rule & you will call it "respect for otherness" & accordingly Goldn-Rule-wise you will probably not reassert or rub into everything I write every chance you get & visa-versa.


Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-05 10:48:05 18106
Eiamyme 2015-02-05 09:22:31 18106
Funny thingy ~ circa '91 in Peter Ralston's last Pleiades workshop on Being & Zen & context & distinction he went through the following which I have mentioned before.
He mimed a baby's face coming out of the womb all smushed up at the exit. At this point the shock of the beginning of separation must be occurring without any words. Sometime later after breast encounter & feeding the baby-being, not knowing even  that it's mother is it's mother, groks that the owner of the tit is other than itself rather than the heartbeat, unity & fullness of itself in the womb.  Sooner or later the baby-being must grok that other is for it - like the heartbeat & attachment in the womb. Separation continues when the baby-being is not near a tit but the baby-being is hungry. It has a natural reflex of making a crying noise & when the tit continues to respond & nurture with caresses & milk the baby-being must be surprised when it cries & the tit does not come & the caresses are not there.  At that point other rears it's final shock that other is not for itself & it has to make louder noise & do other things etc. to get attention.  Thus the game begins.
Herewith begins what others have created a mememe for called otherness - long before language & in the consciousness cloud of a birthing experience.


Yes it starts early on .

i think the "shock" or realization that "other is not for itself " is a long process that continues throughout a life time.  In some more than in others.  In fact i think many mental pathologies can be tied directly to aberations in the development of a sense of oterness and developing a healthy attitude towards it.  For example, narcissism, psychopathy, schizophrenia, and projecting.  Alternatively when a healthy attitude is developed we get the golden rule, cooperation, love, and synergy.
Yep .... we're getting close to my attitude about it all of so what? ... nothing special ... there are others.  (not to confused with the movie series)

(**)

Seth says
i had forgotten this item was already on fastblogit.  I had to go look for where you posted it on facebook.

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