Fractals

About: documentary clouds are not spheres: amazon instant video


source: my comment to Rusty on facebook

great find, i put the documentary on my watch list . i think Mandlebrot proved that we can generate natural *looking* shapes with mathematical procedures. I don't remember a proof that the shapes in nature are generated with those procedures ... or even that any element in the Mandlebrot Set (MS) is working in the natural firmament. Nevertheless it is hard not to assume that regular rules applied to the chaos of event will produce a noticeable regular texture. That is all i have been able to get from the MS. You seem to have gotten more ... please explain ... i want the more of it too ... LOL.
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Tags

  1. docmentary
  2. mandlebrot
  3. fractals
  4. natural edges
  5. edges
  6. mother nature
  7. chaos
  8. order

Comments


Seth says
choy 2015-02-06 20:01:05 18112
The movie is mostly a biography of Mandelbrot.  Hard to listen to due to accents. Somewhat inspiring but not along the lines of the title assertion.


yes it's mostly about Mandelbrot and glorying in the similarity of the mathematically generated shapes to natural phenomena.  but there is no detail there to establish that relationship.  there is more in wikipedia, but i have yet to find an accessible paper that talks about the relationship to nature in a tangible way.



Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-07 08:37:22 18112
i really like the idea of a fractal dimension.  that was alluded to but not developed.  if we are talking about the natural firmament manifesting the shapes, that dimension is presumably not time. 
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=fractal+dimension may tease it out a bit. The link to the term fractal yields a bunch.


Eiamyme says
Math & geometry are descriptive languages which may or not fit loosely or tightly what's so & could be a lie or misapplied just like the usage of ordinary natural languages like English can.  Instantiation of being & principles may include that "infinite & unknown" element where the language & words are all skew-wise &/or reification may obtain.


Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-06 09:43:23 18112
seth 2015-02-06 09:25:17 18112
Eiamyme 2015-02-06 09:05:13 18112

Etymology (*)

From Latin res "thing" + facere "to make", reification can be loosely translated as thing-making; the turning of something abstract into a concrete thing or object.


well if an abstract idea is used to manifest in the world, i would call it "creation".  that  abstract idea turned into a reality merely in your mind is called "reification". 
I think you are in the vortex of a chicken & egg thingy.


Oh really, please explain.    In one case an idea is used to change the world.   In the other case an idea is mistook for the world.   I certainly do try not to make the reification fallacy myself.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-06 08:41:06 18112
Instantiation of being & principles may include that "infinite & unknown" element where the language & words are all skew-wise &/or reification may obtain.


Yes, i want to tease out of Rusty any reifying he was emoting into the Manderbolt Set.  I trip on his passion for it.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-06 09:42:20 18112
seth 2015-02-06 09:33:52 18112
Eiamyme 2015-02-06 08:43:39 18112
Will watch the video later.  Link to Rusty must be for you only.

it's refers to Rusty's rather long take on Mandlebrot which provoked this item, and gets a person to whatever dialogue about that which may ensue.   It is for anyone who is interested in that. 
Yeah ... anyway the link was broken for me.


the link is correct ... you can use it when you subscribe to Rusty.  this is not the first time that this has happened to you and i explained it.

Eiamyme says
Fractals & Music pdf.

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