news coverage of vaccine controversies drives down support for vaccines - the washington post


LOA in action?

source: about article

Neither mammography nor the HPV vaccine started out as controversial.  But once the news media highlighted political sources or partisan conflict about these issues, future news coverage continued to reflect this politicization " even as news coverage of these issues tapered off.  This fits with journalistic norms of covering conflict and controversy.

so when does attention make something better, and when does it make something worse?

Answer: whatever it is, good or bad, it just magnifies that.  In other words, pay attention to your faults ... and guess what ... they will get worse.  Pay attention to what is working ... and it will work better.

just saying ... this is the part of LOA that really does work ... even collectively, not just inside an individual's psychology, but within our society at large.

article discovered here on facebook ... but i don't want to share it there ... don't want to loose PH as a friend ... although i suspect he already has unfollowed me.



Tags

  1. media
  2. vaccine
  3. m$m
  4. loa
  5. attention
  6. natural selection

Comments


Seth says

Incidentally, Penn and Teller crisped up the natural selection end of this, for me.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 13:18:36 18120
Nobody has yet answered the questions IF VACCINES WORK then why not let those who believe in them & worry about the diseases get them & the rest can suffer as long as the availability is provided by the schools & the public treasury?
[see facebook: post] It is about government control not medicine.

Yep, that's pretty much the question i asked under your provocation ...
source: me on facebook

There is a freedom to become a victim of natural selection. So let stupid people be killed by the plague. The smart people will get vaccinated. Should government step in and prevent nature? That is the question.
... which, in our country, flys in the face of our constittion's "to promote the general welfare".  I doubt that there is anything to be gained by arguing that further here.

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 15:58:55 18120
seth 2015-02-09 15:01:17 18120
i wonder if attention to Obama makes him stronger?  
His popularity seems to increase when he leaves town & his mug disappears from the TV while he is on vacation - who knows?


ok, me I don't particularly want to grant Obama more importance, so i tend to ignore your obama bashing.

incidentally this item for me is not really about vaccines ... and, er, certainly not about Obama.   Rather it is about this ticklish feedback mechanism that happens where the m$m will make a situation worse by obsessing on it.  Your posts have been a funny example of that, but i don't want to get side tracked upon them. 

Eiamyme says
seth 2015-02-09 17:06:46 18120
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 15:58:55 18120
seth 2015-02-09 15:01:17 18120
i wonder if attention to Obama makes him stronger?  
His popularity seems to increase when he leaves town & his mug disappears from the TV while he is on vacation - who knows?


ok, me I don't particularly want to grant Obama more importance, so i tend to ignore your obama bashing.

incidentally this item for me is not really about vaccines ... and, er, certainly not about Obama.   Rather it is about this ticklish feedback mechanism that happens where the m$m will make a situation worse by obsessing on it.  Your posts have been a funny example of that, but i don't want to get side tracked upon them. 
Worse? Better? Who knows? You can say the same about the Twits & bloggers. O seems to want to control social media via FCC control of the Internet. Obsession or maybe exposing that which hides in the dark. Low information consumers of news may just go back to sleep after taking and posting a batch of selfies. Sometimes media can wake them from their stupor .... sometimes NOT! M$M depends on government access (hence Obamalagnia slant) - yet another tie between economics & government.  Sometimes they don't like to be exposed themselves.


Eiamyme says
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 14:46:42 18120
seth 2015-02-09 14:31:09 18120
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 13:18:36 18120
Nobody has yet answered the questions IF VACCINES WORK then why not let those who believe in them & worry about the diseases get them & the rest can suffer as long as the availability is provided by the schools & the public treasury?
[see facebook: post] It is about government control not medicine.

Yep, that's pretty much the question i asked under your provocation ...
source: me on facebook

There is a freedom to become a victim of natural selection. So let stupid people be killed by the plague. The smart people will get vaccinated. Should government step in and prevent nature? That is the question.
... which, in our country, flys in the face of our constittion's "to promote the general welfare".  I doubt that there is anything to be gained by arguing that further here.
Yep ... we better force people to NOT be stupid or maybe it is just crony BIg Pharm elected officials (& Hillary) promoting their own general welfare. Promoting the general welfare would be knowing who is crossing our borders without vaccination & getting sent to various states without their knowledge. ' snuck not today for Obamulum.

P.S. I wonder if there is a vaccination for sinister (leftie) obamalagnia .

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-11 09:03:14 18120
Please consider the aim of the group unhackthebrain
The Unhack the Brain Project is the discussion & conversation for the implementation of the following:
This project is dedicated to the possibility of  injecting the finest sense of TRUTH into the process that gives us what comes out of the Media Megaphone & to instill consciousness in it's listeners where now lies hypnosis.  
 
The original wiki material & early work starts at UnhackTheBrain
circa 2005
(snuck not yet, eh?)


well i always liked and considered the aim of unhackthebrain ... especially since it appeared to seek "the finest sense of TRUTH " as an alternative to "the Media Megaphone" in our social consciousness.  but me, i simply cannot aspire to "the finest sense" ... i know i am just not that smart .... sorry i know you think i am great, but really i am rather simple and stupid by myself.  The best i can do for you is to aspire to a better and better sense. 

And i can do that even today .

Seth says
Eiamyme 2015-02-11 07:48:04 18120
seth 2015-02-09 17:06:46 18120
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 15:58:55 18120
seth 2015-02-09 15:01:17 18120
i wonder if attention to Obama makes him stronger?  
His popularity seems to increase when he leaves town & his mug disappears from the TV while he is on vacation - who knows?


ok, me I don't particularly want to grant Obama more importance, so i tend to ignore your obama bashing.

incidentally this item for me is not really about vaccines ... and, er, certainly not about Obama.   Rather it is about this ticklish feedback mechanism that happens where the m$m will make a situation worse by obsessing on it.  Your posts have been a funny example of that, but i don't want to get side tracked upon them. 
that's your tag.

... well i know i coined the tag ... and you know that i know that.   So i am a bit confused as to  what new consciousness you intended to interject here by saying, "that's your tag".

Eiamyme says
Please consider the aim of the group unhackthebrain
The Unhack the Brain Project is the discussion & conversation for the implementation of the following:
This project is dedicated to the possibility of  injecting the finest sense of TRUTH into the process that gives us what comes out of the Media Megaphone & to instill consciousness in it's listeners where now lies hypnosis.  
 
The original wiki material & early work starts at UnhackTheBrain
circa 2005
(snuck not yet, eh?)


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-02-12 07:05:10 18120
Eiamyme 2015-02-11 07:48:04 18120
seth 2015-02-09 17:06:46 18120
Eiamyme 2015-02-09 15:58:55 18120
seth 2015-02-09 15:01:17 18120
i wonder if attention to Obama makes him stronger?  
His popularity seems to increase when he leaves town & his mug disappears from the TV while he is on vacation - who knows?


ok, me I don't particularly want to grant Obama more importance, so i tend to ignore your obama bashing.

incidentally this item for me is not really about vaccines ... and, er, certainly not about Obama.   Rather it is about this ticklish feedback mechanism that happens where the m$m will make a situation worse by obsessing on it.  Your posts have been a funny example of that, but i don't want to get side tracked upon them. 
that's your tag.

... well i know i coined the tag ... and you know that i know that.   So i am a bit confused as to  what new consciousness you intended to interject here by saying, "that's your tag".
I merely point out how your truth is merely semblaceousness 17444 maybe 18045 would help since you seem to confuse yourself easily.


Seth says
source:  mark

Yep, I can see how you adopted your aspiration to fit something suboptimal - maybe even gone for the death of language to avoid. It might be noted that somehow the LOA people go for the other end of the spectrum. The carrot on the end of optimality stick leads one in  a different direction than settling for the low hanging fruit or that which is on the ground.


funny way to understand what i said ... went right for what you presumed was my vunerable part, eh?

strange thing though, in this context, the alternative that you, and perhaps LOA also point out, is just the old belief that I am right ... and therefor if you disagree, you must be wrong.  Been there ... er, done that ... not so sure it works so very well ....

Seth says
source: mark

missing the other message
...  what other message?   specifically !   I really thought i actually responded to that part with agreement and cooperation. 

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-02-12 08:19:52 18120
source:  mark

Yep, I can see how you adopted your aspiration to fit something suboptimal - maybe even gone for the death of language to avoid. It might be noted that somehow the LOA people go for the other end of the spectrum. The carrot on the end of optimality stick leads one in  a different direction than settling for the low hanging fruit or that which is on the ground.


funny way to understand what i said ... went right for what you presumed was my vunerable part, eh?

strange thing though, in this context, the alternative that you, and perhaps LOA also point out, is just the old belief that I am right ... and therefor if you disagree, you must be wrong.  Been there ... er, done that ... not so sure it works so very well ....
Yep - you still degenerated to the dungheap of RWG missing the other message which you can't be allowed to get by your own mind.


Seth says
seth 2015-02-12 07:27:51 18120
Eiamyme 2015-02-11 09:03:14 18120
Please consider the aim of the group unhackthebrain
The Unhack the Brain Project is the discussion & conversation for the implementation of the following:
This project is dedicated to the possibility of  injecting the finest sense of TRUTH into the process that gives us what comes out of the Media Megaphone & to instill consciousness in it's listeners where now lies hypnosis.  
 
The original wiki material & early work starts at UnhackTheBrain
circa 2005
(snuck not yet, eh?)


well i always liked and considered the aim of unhackthebrain ... especially since it appeared to seek "the finest sense of TRUTH " as an alternative to "the Media Megaphone" in our social consciousness.  but me, i simply cannot aspire to "the finest sense" ... i know i am just not that smart .... sorry i know you think i am great, but really i am rather simple and stupid by myself.  The best i can do for you is to aspire to a better and better sense. 

And i can do that even today .

try again!

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-02-15 11:43:59 18120
M 2015-02-15 07:40:10 18120
... & maybe the jury is still out as to who is spreading measles ...
source: ... The phenomenon of measles infection spread by MMR (live measles-mumps-rubella vaccine) has been known for decades. In fact, 20 years ago, scientists working at the CDC's National Center for Infectious Diseases, funded by the WHO and the National Vaccine Program, discovered something truly disturbing about the MMR vaccine: it leads to detectable measles infection in the vast majority of those who receive it.
... lots of data in the article.
 

i thought that was how vaccines work ... by giving the patient a mild case of the disease itself ...so if the measles vaccine works like that, then it is no surprise that a "detectable measles infection" would be detected.
The theory is slightly different.  The bugs are supposed to be dead bugs which attract the body's natural antigens which multiply etc. There are many factors. The questions raised in the referenced article above must be answered if rationality is be served.  Just like global warming has a lot of vested interest & push back (the meme is it is already settled science) so will big pharm push back & call those who ask such questions here "deniers" etc.  Focus has previously been on autism relationships, but this article's concerns seem outside that.  Originally they put something like merthiolate in the vaccines to make sure the bugs were dead, but the poisonous effects of Hg forced removal. I don't know what they do today.
... still watching for this one:



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