Energy? What is it?

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(etymology online - energy (n.) Look up energy at Dictionary.com1590s, "force of expression," from Middle French énergie (16c.), from Late Latin energia, from Greek energeia "activity, action, operation," from energos "active, working," from en "at" (seeen- (2)) + ergon "work, that which is wrought; business; action" (see organ). 

Used by Aristotle with a sense of "actuality, reality, existence" (opposed to "potential") but this was misunderstood in Late Latin and afterward as "force of expression," as the power which calls up realistic mental pictures. Broader meaning of "power" in English is first recorded 1660s. Scientific use is from 1807. Energy crisis first attested 1970.

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Most often thought of as the ability to do work, whatever that is, energy usually has a circular definition in physics.

Feynman Lecture on Physics volume 1 chapter 4

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Mark de LA says
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Seth says
Just curious ... what is the difference between WORK ... which is FORCE X DISTANCE and ENERGY?

Anyway is it not surprising how the physical metaphor of ENERGY can use used to also talk about a different phenomena that might be called "PSYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY" ....er, which frequently i like to call "COURAGE" ... but naturally you will probably call it something different ...

... what do you call PHYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY ?

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-03-30 07:54:36 18201

Just curious ... what is the difference between WORK ... which is FORCE X DISTANCE and ENERGY?



Anyway is it not surprising how the physical metaphor of ENERGY can use used to also talk about a different phenomena that might be called "PSYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY" ....er, which frequently i like to call "COURAGE" ... but naturally you will probably call it something different ...



... what do you call PHYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY ?

How would I call it anything? I don't know to what in psychology you are referring.



Mark de LA says
seth 2015-03-30 14:27:44 18201
M 2015-03-30 12:15:47 18201
seth 2015-03-30 07:54:36 18201

Just curious ... what is the difference between WORK ... which is FORCE X DISTANCE and ENERGY?



Anyway is it not surprising how the physical metaphor of ENERGY can use used to also talk about a different phenomena that might be called "PSYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY" ....er, which frequently i like to call "COURAGE" ... but naturally you will probably call it something different ...



... what do you call PHYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY ?

How would I call it anything? I don't know to what in psychology you are referring.




Well psychological experiences are always difficult to refer to between people.  But these are  common human experiences that we already talk about quite frequently.  How many times have you found yourself, or somebody else, saying something like,  "Oh i just do not have the energy to do this or that." Or alternatively noticed yourself, or somebody else, tackling some work with such gusto that you were compelled to wonder, "OMG where did all that energy come from!". 

You may be referring to something outside the context of this topic which mostly is about physics.
However, I often refer to it as either light or heavy gravity when psychologically things seem heavier to move or time seems to move more slowly & visa-versa.


Seth says
choy 2015-03-30 15:32:22 18201
seth 2015-03-30 14:27:44 18201
M 2015-03-30 12:15:47 18201
seth 2015-03-30 07:54:36 18201

Just curious ... what is the difference between WORK ... which is FORCE X DISTANCE and ENERGY?



Anyway is it not surprising how the physical metaphor of ENERGY can use used to also talk about a different phenomena that might be called "PSYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY" ....er, which frequently i like to call "COURAGE" ... but naturally you will probably call it something different ...



... what do you call PHYCHOLOGICAL ENERGY ?

How would I call it anything? I don't know to what in psychology you are referring.




Well psychological experiences are always difficult to refer to between people.  But these are  common human experiences that we already talk about quite frequently.  How many times have you found yourself, or somebody else, saying something like,  "Oh i just do not have the energy to do this or that." Or alternatively noticed yourself, or somebody else, tackling some work with such gusto that you were compelled to wonder, "OMG where did all that energy come from!". 

You may be referring to something outside the context of this topic which mostly is about physics.
However, I often refer to it as either light or heavy gravity when psychologically things seem heavier to move or time seems to move more slowly & visa-versa.


Yep that is the same thing ... we are refering to the same thing when we talk about psychological energy.

Seth says


There are different kinds of "physical" energy.  

This one here is kinetic energy,  the energy of motion.  That may not have much to do with  the psychological energy we both talked about above ... but if deed is motion, it does seem that i gain energy as i move ... the faster the better.


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This formula describes the energy of physical vibration. 


Note that energy increases as the cycle length decreases. 

I don't know if this describes the vibrations that the LOA people talk about. 

My own experience with phychological vibration is that being in synchronization does increase my phychological energy.  But i cannot connect that to a metaphor of wavelength. 




Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-01 09:13:47 18201
source: Choy above

By the time you get to be 72 years old you have so much personal self full of story that anything that does not match your selfie doesn't "ring true" & conversely. Whether you actually experience something outside your selfies is another question.  Such narrows the universe to your selfie. Katya seems like a fun part of social media.
Well that has been happening since i crawled out of the slime ... didn't need to wait for my 71st birthday .

But the logical contradiction of me experiencing something outside of my experience, does not narrow the universe at all ... sorry homie will not play that way ... rather it just narrows mine ... a feature of the network itself that i gladly accept .

Katya is interesting ... you should get her books
Of course, I didn't say it narrowed the universe - just yours. i prefer freedom of consciousness unfettered as much as possible from selfies - even yours.
 

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-03-31 10:10:24 18201
choy 2015-03-31 09:59:26 18201
seth 2015-03-31 09:27:27 18201
choy 2015-03-31 09:07:43 18201
Nothing describes intuitively why these are all within the category of energy

hmmm .... i don't know

.... seems that when you move faster there is more energy

.... seems that when you are more in sync there is more energy.

... and what about a synergy of individuals ... er, common logic?

... is that not the same intuitive feeling of  energy?


basically just more words. 
if you don't mind shaping your reality by the power of words without anything underneath them like intuition or sensual material - more power to you.
I was looking in this article for a good clean definition of energy.  If you read Feynman you would have noticed that energy only has implied existence.  Power & force etc have direct existence.



Well actually i am talking here about direct experience.   Move and you experience energy.  Very difficult to experience it by just thinking about it.
What do you really experience? - energy is a vacant word - try thinking about the actual experience what are the qualia ... heat or warmth, the sense of motion (not energy), quickness, muscle tiring ????


Seth says
What i actually experience is that as i do stuff, i have more energy to do even more stuff.  Alternatively as i just think about stuff, or feel about it, i have less and less energy to do anything. Especially where those emotions are spawned by the turbulence of disconnects with others ... er, negative emotions and attitudes.  That also applies to group activity (or lack of it). 

... and i don't believe that is just me ... rather, me thinks, it is common human experience.

Mark de LA says
Obviously you have a different meaning for the word energy than I do contrary to your assuming we had the same one above; & you have pretty much missed my point entirely.
Tangentially,
I have been studying LOA in particularly the closed loop version of Abraham Hicks etc through their YouTubes. The epiphany in that regard this AM is the power of words to shape one's reality. It doesn't really matter much whether the ontology is truthful or scientifically real , it is real for the user in a NLP sort of way.  Many say the only reality is the way you feel. They do anyway.  If you get into LOA much (as in your above) precision definition of words gives way to usage & finally the effect the word has on how you feel - thus leading to action or more words of the same kind that prove your feelings.  Abraham LOA likes the words vortex & vibration without letting you know what's vibrating & what is spinning. Similarly the jargon continues with the promises of getting anything you desire by using the power of their words & memes.  Create a happy 17 seconds of good feeling about anything you desire the reality is eventually yours they say. 
Enjoy!

Seth says
another experience is (action with response from other) vs (action with no response from other) or (negative response from others).  

... i doubt that is just something that i am being aware of this morning because of my current activities ... rather it is quite obvious that if you do something and get a positive response from your environment, you will gain energy.   Alternatively if you get a negative response from others, you will loose energy.   Kind of hard to deny that, eh?

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-03-31 12:32:51 18201
choy 2015-03-31 12:02:10 18201
Obviously you have a different meaning for the word energy than I do contrary to your assuming we had the same one above; & you have pretty much missed my point entirely.
Tangentially,
I have been studying LOA in particularly the closed loop version of Abraham Hicks etc through their YouTubes. The epiphany in that regard this AM is the power of words to shape one's reality. It doesn't really matter much whether the ontology is truthful or scientifically real , it is real for the user in a NLP sort of way.  Many say the only reality is the way you feel. They do anyway.  If you get into LOA much (as in your above) precision definition of words gives way to usage & finally the effect the word has on how you feel - thus leading to action or more words of the same kind that prove your feelings.  Abraham LOA likes the words vortex & vibration without letting you know what's vibrating & what is spinning. Similarly the jargon continues with the promises of getting anything you desire by using the power of their words & memes.  Create a happy 17 seconds of good feeling about anything you desire the reality is eventually yours they say. 
Enjoy!

Well "words" do not represent the real effect for me.  Rather for me it is belief in a story ... words  being just phantom tracks of that.   So when you say "power of words to shape one's reality", i translate that into "the power of a story to shape one's reality" ... and as such i find it hard to deny. 

I haven't matriculated with all of Hicks words ... i am more just into interacting in productive ways that produce positive effects.   At its heart i kind of thought that was where he was going ... but yes, that other "closed loop", create your own joy and success does pervade their words.  And also did so even more with Tony Robbins words.

Almost anyone has a different story to make up about a word or subject.  Tony's words had a much different effect & purpose & were not the focus of the transformation. In the firewalk weekend he emphasized in one group discussion that words had different meaning to different people.  He did the group of 5 practice for groups to come up with either a set of 5 words that meant sex or education & asked the groups to agree on the words. No 2 groups had the exact same set as I recall.  NLP is hypnosis with a process & is process oriented toward a goal.  LOA is searching after a particular feeling like joy, happiness or abundance. The emotional state is supposed to attract the manifestation of that which is being felt.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-01 07:19:46 18201
Well everyone "has a different story" in which they strongly believe.  It is easier for anyone to maintain their beliefs, if the people around them have similar ones.  Since like attracts like, that alone is a LOA effect.  

Having one's basic beliefs continually assailed must certainly drain one's energy.  So isolating a person to like minded invividuals would also tend to give them more energy to do what  the group intends to do.  I can see that same effect internally, by just watching how much energy i loose when i think or feel stuff that already runs contradictory to my core beliefs ... and how much more energy i have when i don't do that.

I had not heard that LOA says "the emotional state is supposed to attract the manifestation of that which is being felt".  Nathan is always saying that emotion is best used as a sense ... using it to attract might fly in the face of that.  So that sensing if you are on your "core path" yields an emotion telling you you are on the path or not.  But don't quote me on that ... check it with Nathan ... i hear he is somewhere on a sunny beach.
That's only part of it.  Ask him about 17 seconds.  & Yep, & this is yours story & I'm sure you are sticking to it!
OTOH, PR in his latest book on Consciousness recommends in 9:37 (.. if you are interested in expanding your consciousness outside of self-created illusion)
"What do I recommend? Get free of your life story."


Mark de LA says
Sorry, pused the trash can button instead the quotes. Anyway it was specious since none of what I said had anything to do with your selfie assertion.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-01 10:03:44 18201
Eiamyme 2015-04-01 09:51:13 18201
seth 2015-04-01 09:46:41 18201
Eiamyme 2015-04-01 09:35:46 18201
"I feel good when devoted to something" - not commented upon - too obvious

It relates to your comment, "LOA is searching after a particular feeling like joy, happiness or abundance. The emotional state is supposed to attract the manifestation of that which is being felt".   
Yep still obvious (or redundant)

well it tied in LOA with story nicely ... PR's "loose your life story" notwithstanding ... any redundancy being just in the selfie of Eiamyme.
Just your selfie going right-wrongy ... your ignorance of the PR context shining brightly!
I was just surprised that you implied I said something about your link on G+ when I hadn't.


Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-01 09:46:41 18201
Eiamyme 2015-04-01 09:35:46 18201
"I feel good when devoted to something" - not commented upon - too obvious

It relates to your comment, "LOA is searching after a particular feeling like joy, happiness or abundance. The emotional state is supposed to attract the manifestation of that which is being felt".   
Yep still obvious (or redundant)

Mark de LA says
seth 2015-04-01 08:34:11 18201
choy 2015-04-01 08:24:30 18201
seth 2015-04-01 07:59:55 18201
Yeah i'v heard about the peculiar 17 seconds .

I am on board with getting rid of "life stories" ... i seem to be doing that continually ... getting out of one box after another.   As to having no story ... nope, not so very sure i like that ... me, i prefer a NOW that is broader and broader ... not narrower and narrower. 
That is your story - not a truth.

That still rings true to me ... which *is* the only truth that i can ever experience ... your own continual story contradicting, notwithstanding .

But incidentally one of my favorite people just said, "I feel good when devoted to something", which is pretty close to what i experssed above about the relationship between believing in a story and emotion. 
By the time you get to be 72 years old you have so much personal self full of story that anything that does not match your selfie doesn't "ring true" & conversely. Whether you actually experience something outside your selfies is another question.  Such narrows the universe to your selfie. Katya seems like a fun part of social media.
 

Mark de LA says
null … something like the scientific method is in Feynman

Mark de LA says
He died 2/15/88 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

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